Why are Videoslots in the Predatory section?

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    Webzcas

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    To be fair KK, Dave has a point. I don't work with VS or play there, but I do have an interest in this thread. I also based on the info provided in this thread believe that they are correctly in the right place here on AGD ie marked as predatory.
     
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    KasinoKing

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    And I haven't said recently that they shouldn't be in the predatory section.
    If you are referring to the post I made when starting this thread - that was nearly 2 years ago - a lot of water has run under the bridge since then!

    Based on the information we now have (very low commission as a percentage of GGR), I am not surprised the AGD admin have decided to leave them in this section.

    KK
     
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    BetReels

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    @AussieDave

    "Each of us now have ALL the facts & figures and can decide to promote VS or not."


    That is the part of KK's message that I was thanking. Everyone now has all the information they need about Videoslots. It is now up to affiliates whether to promote them or not.
     
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    AussieDave

    AussieDave 17 years & still going!

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    No, you just go round the forums "attacking" affiliates for promoting rogues. While, promoting some questionable "white labels" etc., yourself :rolleyes:

    Guess as long as you get paid; even rigged software, it's all fair game to you... (not recommended): https://thepogg.com/casino-review/mission2game/

    There's a word for that, it's called hypocrite!

    P.S. I go round the forums as you put it... To help affiliates, and players. You on the other hand, seem to trawl player forums, making yourself out to be a responsible affiliate... BUT...the above says otherwise.
     
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    Roulette Zeitung

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    Miles obviously will be chased like a serial killer here again. If this is the new standard, then good luck with the smart audience.

    You'll find rarely people in this industry like Miles who are so transparent and open and have a true will to help. If he would have not replied at all to any problem, then he would have been attacked. If he tries to help, then he will also be attacked. It looks like a desire here in this forum to attack Miles.

    In the spotlight of dozens of real crooks and criminals and the hordes of idiots in the program offices world wide, you do yourself a disservice with personal attacking people like Miles.

    He is not your enemy.
    If you want an enemy with all means, then go to your neighbor and steal him his little daughter's birthday cake.
    THEN you have the enemy you are searching for.

    Seriously, if you continue this 100% negative posting here, then this is not good, also not for yourself. Do you really want, that your grandchildren in some decades will only find negavite statements from you on the internet?

    Not one single positive post about the wonderful tasting smoothies from last BAC?
    Or a nice call for sharing some cake receipts?
    Make a photo of the stolen cake from your neighbor.
    No one knows with the exception of you and me.
    But it looks great on Facebook.
    Believe me.
    I have no neighbors anymore.
    But a lot of cake pictures.

    Leopold
     
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    gobo

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    Do you promote Videoslots? If so, how many % of the deposits do you earn in profits each month? Are you happy with the results? This is a business for me, not charity.

    I am not attacking Miles personally. He is a great guy. Everybody agrees. We dont like how Videoslots conduct their business and rips their affiliates off. However, if he works and represents a company like Videoslots that is not trusted, a lot of the bad trust will flow over to his reputation as well. Sorry but that is just the way it is. I have myself worked for a company that was not ethical/transparent towards its customers and I hated it and quit as soon as I could. It is just not worth it.

    I don't know what to say about your rant about cupcakes and smoothies and neighbours and stuff. Doesn't make any sense to me so I'll pass.
     
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    casinonewbie

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    If you read it backwards after a few special cakes it makes total logic, even my dog made sense of his post :D
     
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    Roulette Zeitung

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    "Do you promote Videoslots?"

    Weak arguments like that are following my path since years, when I protect people in this industry. On the contrary to some high intelligent and wonderful people here my thousands of posts on GPWA are a good mixture of fighting the evil and praising the good, even if I never worked for them, with huge and nice posts, with videos, with everything I can, but not for money or because I worked or work for them. No, only because they deserve it. This is the difference. My lucid diary on GPWA has now more than 160,000 views and is the most read thread ever. I did not paid for the views. They are real. And so I hope it is not asked too much for more serious arguments and not for "Do you promote Videoslots?", what is not the case.

    Chasing after people who are proven real and good guys, is so cheap and disgusting, and sometimes like in the "spammer incident" lack of knowledge and sometimes lack of intellect.

    90%+ in this industry are only writing negative, and some have a big joy of doing that, like your wonderful master member from South Africa. On GPWA he was debunked and neutralized, not by actions from moderators, who will be called here public on AGD "Nazi" by a another agitator. No he was neutralized by his own quotes, by his own stalking, and here is the last cave, where he is welcome. On GPWA he is no longer welcome by the audience. This is also the truth and the result of spreading ONLY HATE in this industry.

    When you start to post positive, then you have my respect. If one has no intellect to understand my weird posts, then there is no medicine for that and I can only pray for them, but I will not tolerate, that good guys will be chased here like the last dirt on Earth on the lowest levels sometimes. Then you have to argue with me, and believe me, like in all the years, some are debunking themselves with their actions and their statements. I have a long breath and a deep patience, worked for two years to kick Fraudnanda finally in the abyss and six months to destroy Bufallo.

    And I can always prove - on the contrary to others - what I am saying.
    Here is my positive thread on AGD to open the door to praise people just because they are fine. It was also a social experiment to test the substance of positive energy here:

    https://www.affiliateguarddog.com/c...st-lovely-people-in-the-casino-industry.7594/

    Where is yours?
    Where is your positive thread?

    Leopold
     
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    DaftDog

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    Thanks for the mention Leopold you really know how to make my day. Guess I pressed one of your buttons to get this reaction out of you. ;)

    You are no better than a crazy conspiracy theorist with all the twaddle you publish sometimes. Please provide proof of where I was debunked and neutralized on the GPWA forums. Have you been eating those Black Forest magic mushrooms again?

    You say I was stalking you when all I ever did was call you out on the bullsh1t you published over there. If anything I debunked you. You are nothing but a forum bully who likes to make up stories in order to try and elevate your position above the swamp ooze you live in.
     
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    Roulette Zeitung

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    "Guess I pressed one of your buttons to get this reaction out of you."

    No, you are wrong. You are really not that important. Since a long time now I ignore most of your posts or read them very quick, because you are only a pitiful person, and as we could read today on another place, your "stupid war on GPWA" you started here was proven nothing else than a personal demonic hit piece against RazorGamer/vtyunby65. First you tried that at GPWA but was stopped. Then you continued here and complained about that. This stalking behavior is simply not welcome by smart people and a big disservice to this forum. You are simply a pitiful person, and from the top to the bottom at least on GPWA everyone knows that. Or show me one single supporter of you. One can see that at your view ratings or replies.

    You have serious problems, and one example proofs that:

    http://www.gpwa.org/forum/sick-humor-memes-not-politically-correct-227308.html

    Leopold
     
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    gobo

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    My question is quite vital since at least I care more if I am invested in a casino/affiliate company. What happened at Affiliate Edge is also really bad but since I never worked with them I tend to stay out of the discussion. To see my earnings with Videoslots get cut with 25% overnight without notice is a big deal for many affiliates. And when VS keep denying it, people get suspicious and lose trust in them. Why would we stay positive about VS in this case? Sure, Videoslots has many good advantages as well - feel free to open a new thread and I will pitch in with what I like about VS.

    If you still don't like arguments like the above I will give you a few other ones that you might like or can relate to:

    - What if you hired a carpenter to renovate your kitchen and you agree on an hourly rate of $100/h. However, in the contract, you signed there are really no actual numbers. They don't want to put the actual numbers in the contract. Just that the carpenter will charge you an hourly rate + costs for tools and kitchen appliances that he will buy. Would you be suspicious?

    - What if the invoices you are receiving every month does only contain a lump sum and no specifications. The company keeps promising that they will get more specifications and that it will take 2-3 weeks for them to fix their invoice templates. In reality, it takes them a couple of years with broken promises. Would you be suspicious?

    - What if you suddenly notice that there is a 25% increase in the cost. When asking them about the numbers they just say that it has always been like this. They say that there has not been any increase. Would you be suspicious?

    - You now start to receive specifications and that is great. However, you will only receive the specifications from this day on. No previous breakdowns are being given to you. They say it is a technical limitation in the system. Would you be suspicious regarding all your old invoices?

    - People quit at the company and you get a new contact. When asking the new guy about previous issues or previous agreements he just says that he can not answer to what happened before he started the company. That the current prices have always been like this. He doesn't take any responsibility at all. Would you be suspicious?


    The above things are happening with Videoslots and their earnings, agreements, breakdowns, promises. Many affiliates have noticed the decrease in earnings (with the same traffic). The problem when being on rev-share is that it is not as easy to just leave the company and change to another operator since you have lots of players tagged to you that you have spent lots of money to acquire.

    Trust and transparency go hand in hand when making business. If there is no transparency people gets suspicious (and in many cases rightfully so). This is why the new blockchain technology will either force current casinos to change and become more transparent or they will go down. Can't wait for the blockchain revolution to happen.

    A couple articles that talks about how important transparency is for the trust of a brand:
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkn...ncy-trust-is-the-key-to-success/#35da97c419ba

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbes...ansparency-to-build-brand-trust/#74fae7577436
     
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    I did nazi that coming. Time to hit the ignore button on your sorry ass.
     
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    Soon you will be paying VS for the privilege of advertising them on your sites
     
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    We will probably have to pay in advance :D
     
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    I think the general thoughts are that affiliates have been pushing the videoslots bus for a very long time while they kept introducing new costs into their program without any transparency while reducing our fair share.

    It must be a great standing joke in their office at each meeting, ok everyone.... what can we make these stupid affiliates pay for next...another new car, another mega party, another bonus for the boss, a bigger stand at the next conference, another Adwords campaign - any ideas people?
     
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    Any representative from Videoslots still here?
     
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    Roulette Zeitung

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    "I think you still deserve to be in the predatory section because of you avoiding to answer simple questions"

    "These are just assumptions from your side."

    "Just because your word is coming "straight from the top" (Alex?) does not mean that it is true."

    "you don't want to admit that because then everybody will know that you lied."

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    "Any representative from Videoslots still here?"

    Why should a good guy like Miles continue to be a part of this if he will be chased personal and insulted as a serial liar on a daily basis? For some it's unfortunately no longer a matter of a program. It became personal, what is insane in my opinion, because if you shoo away a nice person who has proven the will to help, then you cannot complain later, that he is absent.

    There is no obligation to remain at places, where only dirt will be thrown at you. So without a good mixture and smart techniques, a thread that leads to a weak personal witch hunt at the end only, this does not solve anything. It's a disservice.

    And one last tip from an old man: Patience is is a great value, also life experience and the feeling, when it is fair but also important to give your "opponent", I would better say "dialogue partner", air to breathe.

    Leopold

     
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    Because it is his job and it is in Videoslots best interest to keep a good relationhip with its affiliates? It is not personal since any other representative from VS would have got the same heat as Miles. It is unfortunate that it is him but it is a part of being an affiliate manager. Affiliate Managers are often the faces of the affiliate dept at a casino.
     
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