Welcome SlotsVendor as an AGD Certified Program

[lots0]

Nobody said the thread should go away... you are talking to yourself on that one

As far as the rest, Perc has made a valid point. Our certification requires that the casinos are not on the ROGUE list at CM. But a 'Not Recommended' list is similar. As such, I will have to find a new home for the program at AGD.

It does NOT belong in the ROGUE section, but belongs somewhere. However - that is for me to determine, not anyone else.

actually I was responding to a couple of emails I received, with the "thread should go away" comment.

I'd be interested to know why you don't think liberty slots belongs in the ROGUE section.

 

[Guard Dog]

I'd be interested to know why you don't think liberty slots belongs in the ROGUE section.

They just don't. A Rogue organization is one who has terms and conditions which can blatantly STEAL from affiliates. A Rogue organization is one that is associated with Rogue casinos from the CasinoMeister Rogue list.

Both of those are NOT true, so they are not in the rogue section.

 

[lots0]

Thanks for the explanation.
Too bad you don't have an area just for liars and thieves...

In my opinion, 'buddy issues' and backroom deals will stop this obviously untrustworthy casino from ever getting on casinomeisters rogue list.

 

[Guard Dog]

Thanks for the explanation.
Too bad you don't have an area just for liars and thieves...

In my opinion, 'buddy issues' and backroom deals will stop this obviously untrustworthy casino from ever getting on casinomeisters rogue list.

Stop with the name calling, please. It's not appropriate despite your feelings here. We are all WELL aware of your feelings about SlotsVendor.

I have no clue about Bryan and his business and that doesn't need to be discussed here (in this manner).

 

[lots0]

So what should I call people here that have been caught lying and stealing?

Unlike some people that hang out around here, I am sure not calling them 'friends'.

I am out of here.

I don't want Andrew to have to take shit for what I am saying...

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

The latest Casinomeister quote from today.... SOURCE

" FTR - they have gotten back to me, but they are pretty firm on the issue of keeping their licensing obscured.
Since they are US facing, they don't want the ownership to come under unwanted scrutiny. That's understandable, but they aren't selling shoes. This is gambling and licensing (read: player assurances) is a big part of it. The way Liberty Slots is going about this is a recipe for disaster. My recommendation to them is to drop the US market and focus on countries that are casino friendly.

But then - that would be bad for business, and we couldn't have that. : "


I bet they don't...and most likely the 99.9% reason why they don't want their "secret license" exposed is the fact that they are Casino Coins simply re-branded, after they left the market owing myself and many others unpaid earnings!

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[inspiration]

I do not think you are allowed to make a test drive with a car without a valid drivers license.

The dealer most probably will never give you the keys until they can verify it.

Do you buy a car from somebody if you do not know if the car is his of hers ?

Get real a casino without (showing/providing) a valid license is a hoax nothing else.

Popular, no problems yet ....... this is not the way how professionals like you should deal with this.

I understand it is an opportunity for us to promote something else than RTG, but do not forget SV knows that too.

Do not make the same mistake again.

If something is too good to be true........... it probably is.

PS: you are not doing yourselves a favor to ignore people like Lots0 who is doing reasearch and has shown some passionate digging for you to be informed about the risks in the business, unless you want to do your own research. Just saying.

Not happy to see this.

 

[Guard Dog]

Until the casino licensing is cleared up, they are being moved to the predatory section. Note that their terms are NOT predatory. It was the only place I felt comfortable moving the program so that affiliates KNEW there was something wrong.

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

Until the casino licensing is cleared up, they are being moved to the predatory section. Note that their terms are NOT predatory. It was the only place I felt comfortable moving the program so that affiliates KNEW there was something wrong.

"Casino Licensing" should be one of the very first things you guys look for when you are looking over T's & C's of affiliate programs to approve!

Why do you and your 3 associates not take this into account?

How can you honestly say that the program is affiliate friendly but at the same time not know the vital details of the casino that the program promotes, how is that even possible?

Many of us here believe that you guys need to do some tweaking on your standards checks.

Casino Coins Terms weren't predatory either and look what happened...they left quite a few of your members here hanging out in the wind without being paid!

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[Guard Dog]

"Casino Licensing" should be one of the very first things you guys look for when you are looking over T's & C's of affiliate programs to approve!

Why do you and your 3 associates not take this into account?

Because we certify the TERMS and CONDITIONS. We only recently began looking at the CM Rogue list even. Changes (not minor) have to be made to take into account more than the certification process was intended for.

How can you honestly say that the program is affiliate friendly but at the same time not know the vital details of the casino that the program promotes, how is that even possible?

As mentioned, we are using the metrics the certification was designed for. While you may not agree, it is affiliates we are protecting. We are looking into more than that (And implemented the CM Rogue list checks some time back to protect players and stop affiliates from promoting bad casinos). It takes time.

Many of us here believe that you guys need to do some tweaking on your standards checks.

ok

Casino Coins Terms weren't predatory either and look what happened...they left quite a few of your members here hanging out in the wind without being paid!

Well, I will tell you this... no matter what checks we put in place, we can't predict the future.

Andy

 

[inspiration]

Andy it is your portal you can do whatever you want, others may not agree .........but like M. Corfman said : "the world is not perfect", so is our business..there is no real legislation nor mandetory policies just business ethics and this one is ticking all the wrong boxes.

 

[Engineer]

Many of us here believe that you guys need to do some tweaking on your standards checks.

Speaking of standards, and double standards --

You openly promote the Grand Prive group of casinos. They stole tens of thousands of dollars from their affiliates and then came back several years later, yet you are happy to promote them and put money in their filthy pockets. Pockets of known thieves!

It's hypocritical to scream bloody murder about Casino Coins supposedly "coming back" (which actually is not the case, according to Nick) while simultaneously promoting the rogue Grand Prive group, which actually did do the very thing you railed on about earlier in this thread.

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

Speaking of standards, and double standards --

You openly promote the Grand Prive group of casinos. They stole tens of thousands of dollars from their affiliates and then came back several years later, yet you are happy to promote them and put money in their filthy pockets. Pockets of known thieves!

It's hypocritical to scream bloody murder about Casino Coins supposedly "coming back" (which actually is not the case, according to Nick) while simultaneously promoting the rogue Grand Prive group, which actually did do the very thing you railed on about earlier in this thread.

Actually it's NOT hypocritical at all, what you or I or anyone else do, and/or promote on our own sites is nobody's business but our own. I could care less which casinos or programs you or Andy or anyone else personally promote on your own web promotion sites.

"AGD" is SUPPOSE to be much more than that though, a few of us here get that, apparently you don't, and you had rather try and make it personal, it was never personal.

AGD sets industry standards and even states the important fact of "Protecting Affiliates Interests"...that's what the turbulence is and should be about in this thread IMO. Otherwise, we might as well be hanging out over at CAP or the GPWA where they have no apprehension or conscience whatsoever in which programs they recommend to their affiliates...is that what AGD wants to become now? Because that's the way you just made it sound.

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[Guard Dog]

AGD sets industry standards and even states the important fact of "Protecting Affiliates Interests"...that's what the turbulence is and should be about in this thread IMO. Otherwise, we might as well be hanging out over at CAP or the GPWA where they have no apprehension or conscience whatsoever in which programs they recommend to their affiliates...is that what AGD wants to become now? Because that's the way you just made it sound.

Sorry, but that statement is blatantly wrong. Feel free to bash this decision (even though they are in the predatory section with a predatory icon), I have no problem with that. But to say our process is anything like any of the other forums in the industry is WAY wrong and misleading.

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

1. AGD sets industry standards and even states the important fact of "Protecting Affiliates Interests"...

2. that's what the turbulence is and should be about in this thread IMO.

3. Otherwise, we might as well be hanging out over at CAP or the GPWA where they have no apprehension or conscience whatsoever in which programs they recommend to their affiliates...is that what AGD wants to become now?

4. Because that's the way you just made it sound.

Sorry, but that statement is blatantly wrong. Feel free to bash this decision (even though they are in the predatory section with a predatory icon), I have no problem with that. But to say our process is anything like any of the other forums in the industry is WAY wrong and misleading.

WTH Andy...where did I say that at? Which statement exactly...above...is blatantly wrong? I broke it down for you to slow read, because you seriously must have just skimmed it before in a rush to agree with one of your buds here.

Please break it down and be a little more specific. You can even choose 1 thru 4...lol...Thanks

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[Guard Dog]

Really? Who's the one skimming here? The quote that I have from you in that post relates to the text under it. I'm not sure what you are missing, but I will try to spell it out clearly for you:

You said:

Otherwise, we might as well be hanging out over at CAP or the GPWA where they have no apprehension or conscience whatsoever in which programs they recommend to their affiliates...is that what AGD wants to become now?

And that is wrong. This statement gives the impression that we do things like everyone else. We don't. And just because you don't agree with a situation, doesn't give you a right to invalidate our whole process when we work very hard to ensure that affiliates have the best T&C's to work with while knowing if a Casino is considered rogue at CM.

It's not perfect, but if you want to go over to GPWA and/or CAP because you feel more comfortable... I say go ahead. Go where you feel most comfortable.

We do our best here and that's all we can do...

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

Really? Who's the one skimming here? The quote that I have from you in that post relates to the text under it. I'm not sure what you are missing, but I will try to spell it out clearly for you:

You said:




And that is wrong. This statement gives the impression that we do things like everyone else. We don't. And just because you don't agree with a situation, doesn't give you a right to invalidate our whole process when we work very hard to ensure that affiliates have the best T&C's to work with while knowing if a Casino is considered rogue at CM.

It's not perfect, but if you want to go over to GPWA and/or CAP because you feel more comfortable... I say go ahead. Go where you feel most comfortable.

We do our best here and that's all we can do...

So not once, but twice now, you have missed where I said and used the word:

OTHERWISE

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[Guard Dog]

I haven't missed anything. I am saying that it 'gives the impression' that we are the same. I caught all words... I'm not an idiot

 

[slotplayer]

perhaps you (AGD) already do it this way, but if a license carries that much weight, then that should be checked out first, if it passes muster then continue with the rest of the process.

 

[Guard Dog]

perhaps you (AGD) already do it this way, but if a license carries that much weight, then that should be checked out first, if it passes muster then continue with the rest of the process.

I don't disagree. We do not do it this way, currently. The only 'check' we have is the CasinoMeister Rogue list. I can implement more checks, but it takes time and means that many affiliates will sign up for programs before we can certify them (which sucks as well).

Working on it..