Welcome SlotsVendor as an AGD Certified Program

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    lots0

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    I don't see what I have been saying as trying to hurt you. That is not my intention. I don't even know you.
    My only association with you was as manager with Casino Coins. We never personally spoke or communicated in any way before today, that I know of.

    But I do feel a responsibility to my friends and peers to let them know what my experiences have been in cases like this.

    The money was stolen by the company and you were the manager of the company at the time... I don't see how you can say you were not responsible.

    But then again, I also don't see how you can have a Secret License... That is truly the most amazing thing I have ever heard. The sole reason for a License in your market is to ASSURE players that there is a regulator of some kind watching over things...
     
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    Guard Dog

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    Let's just stop the name calling, please. On BOTH sides of the aisle here.

    It's a mess in this thread.. And let me quote the next person before more posts happen, please :)
     
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    Guard Dog

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    We do not verify that. Correct. We only verify that type of information for Platinum Sponsors. We simply do not have the resources right now.

    There is only hearsay.. you are right, at this point in the game.
     
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    Nick_SV

    Nick_SV Affiliate Program Representative

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    You personally called me a thief with no proof of anything. You didn't say Casino Coins stole from you, you said that I stole from you... if you don't see how that can be damaging to someone, I don't know what to say.

    Without any sort of proof, that is slander, as you are trying to defame my character.

    We do not have a secret license, we have a normal gaming license. Ownership is choosing not to publicly post the licensing information. Our audits and fair gaming certification is there to assure players there is a regulator and testing of our software for fairness.

    If you are unhappy with the information you are given you have the right not to work with us. I am not here trying to force or even convince anyone to work with SlotsVendor. I didn't make a sales pitch or post saying come work with us. I am here to be a visible presence for the company should any affiliates who do work with us have questions or concerns.
     
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    lots0

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    Really???

    Your not telling anyone, but it's not a secret... Your kidding... right?

    You as in 'Casino Coins' you.

    You were acting on behalf of Casino Coins owners when the money was stolen, and because you were just doing what you were told, your blameless.. is that what your saying?
     
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    Nick_SV

    Nick_SV Affiliate Program Representative

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    There is no 'Casino Coins' me... we are not one and the same. Yes I was an employee, but that doesn't mean I am Casino Coins, which is what you implied... You made a direct accusation saying I stole from you, which I did not.

    Furthermore, I still don't even think anything was "stolen" from you. The only thing you provided was a post saying it took you 2 years to get paid, but that you were in fact paid when you contacted Sabrina about it. I don't know the circumstances around why you did not receive payment, but the post is from 2009, so forgive me for not remembering. The fact of the matter is that the 'proof' you provided only shows you were paid.

    This payment issue regarding my past employment at another company has been drawn out far too long lots0. This thread is suppose to be about SlotsVendor and Liberty Slots, so this is the last I'm talking about this issue on the boards. If you feel the need for more 'closure', please email or PM me and we can take this offline.

    As for the license, Liberty Slots accepts US players... sorry if you don't like that the owners would like to remain silent and would not like company info published. You are not the ones at risk, so I don't think you are in the position to question their decision.

    You are free to your own opinion and free to make your own decisions based on the information given. Like I said in my last post, if you don't like the information provided, then don't work with us. It's simple. There doesn't need to be anymore conversation about this. The information is out there and everyone can read this and make their own decisions on what they want to do as well.
     
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    pdjoe

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    Nick,

    This is nothing personal so please don't take it that way.

    Any casino that is operating in fear of the truth to players and affiliates sure does leave the door open for a fly by night operation in my eyes.

    One of my biggest problems here is that all of our Vegas Technology players were e-mailed and regular mailed to join Liberty Slots casino without being tagged to affiliate accounts even though players never signed up with Liberty.

    It's pretty obvious they have the players info to tag over our old players but don't want to. Waited a few months to open the aff program so they could get their share before asking affiliates to market them yet again. Seen it to many times before.

    Once again Nick, It's not you I question...its Vegas Technology in any shape or form.
     
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    lots0

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    You were not just an employee you were management and according to you "part of the family".

    I made my point about my money being stolen and you have responded..
    I think people can make up their own minds about who is telling the truth here.

    ***

    But I do want to continue about this SECRET LICENSE, that Slots Vendor has.

    This idea of a secret license really fascinates me.

    Why bother to get the license in the first place if your going to keep it secret?

    As I said before the ONLY reason to get a non-us license, in the current US market, is to help with the sites credibility with the players.

    But if you keep the license secret (don't tell anyone about it), how are the players supposed to know you are licensed?

    The idea that your keeping this license secret to protect the owners from the US law enforcement... is really beyond belief.
    If that were truly the case... Why have the other casinos that take US not made their license 'secret'?

    I think this whole secret license thing, is ONLY to protect the owners from affiliates knowing the owners of slots vendor are the same people that owned casino coins.
    Or you just don't really have a license at all.

    I am going to have one of my monkeys do some checking with licensing authorities.. Just to see what's, what with this.
    No licensing authority I know of makes their license secret, not even Costa Rica. So if "Slots Vendor" is truly licensed anywhere in the world we should be able to find it, with a little digging.
     
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    DoggyStyle

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    Servers location is The Netherlands Antilles. Maybe that will help you to start looking at the right place.
     
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    lots0

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    First a little bit of info on slotsvendor.eu

    IP address: 200.124.146.9
    IP country code: AN
    IP address country: ip address flagNetherlands Antilles
    IP address state: n/a
    IP address city: Willemstad
    IP address latitude: 12.1000
    IP address longitude: -68.9167
    ISP of this IP: E-Commerce Park
    Organization: E-Commerce Park
    Host of this IP: sub-146ip9.e-commercepark.com


    Reverse IP Look up
    IP:
    200.124.146.9
    server location:
    Willemstad in Netherlands Antilles
    ISP:
    E-Commerce Park

    Whois
    Domain Manager
    PublicDomainRegistry.com
    Telephone: +1.2013775952
    Fax: +1.3202105146
    Email:

    Nameservers:
    ns1.mitsu.in
    ns3.mitsu.in
    ns4.mitsu.in
    ns2.mitsu.in

    As slotsvendor's server resides in the Curacao E-Commerce Park, the first place we checked was Curacao.
    One of the most worthless licensing jurisdictions in the world.

    But no record of slotsvendor.eu with Curacao.
    Per a phone conversations with Arie(I think that is how it's spelled) at curacao-egaming.com, they have never heard of slotsvendor.eu.

    In order for a Curacao e-gaming license to be valid there must be a live valid link from their seal on a site and the seal must be displayed.

    Source: curacao egaming License,curacao gaming license, curacao ezone

    slotsvendor.eu does NOT have a valid licensed in Curacao, even though their server is located in the e-commerice park that casinos licensed in Curacao normally use.

    We are currently checking Costa Rica and a couple of other likely places and we should have some results to post later today.

    Also like to point out that slotsvendor.eu provides no information(at least that I could find) about the company that owns it and or runs it. This in and of it's self is very suspicious.
    As a matter of fact.. so far slotsvendor.eu has raised just about every red flag there is for a ROGUE casino.
     
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    Guard Dog

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    As long as you are looking into this... you might want to get the casino name right ;) It's Liberty Slots. So - I doubt any gaming authority would recognize SlotsVendor.eu as anything even if Liberty Slots were licensed there. Just a thought.
     
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    lots0

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    We are going by the URL as the casino is tagged to the URL, that is the way they are registered.
    We also asked about "liberty slots" and received the same response.

    Neither slotsvendor.eu or LibertySlots.eu have a valid license in Curacao.

    Added//
    libertyslots.eu
    nameservers
    dns1.idp365.net
    dns2.idp365.net
    dns3.idp365.net
     
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    lots0

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    We now have submitted queries to the e-gaming registrars in Panama, Costa Rica, Belize, Venezuela, Antigua, St Kitts/Nevis, Estonia and last but least Latvia.

    If anyone can think of any other 'lose' licensing jurisdictions that I left out please speak up.

    Curacao was the most likely place, as their server is located there.

    We should hopefully have some responses soon... will update.

    But to be honest, I don't expect to find anything, but we will see.
     
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    Viktar

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    I have one question.

    If, for example, a player has a problem with Liberty Slots, and would like to submit a formal complaint to regulator - how he/she will he able to do that? From what I see now, players don't have any opportunity to complain to regulator, only to casino or public forums, like Casinomeister.
     
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    slotplayer

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    what is the consenus here?
    I have a ton of unpublished content for this software.
    Turns out when renewing a couple of domains they come with free economy hosting.
     
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    I think the consensus is just as Bryan stated here....

    Libertyslots issues
     
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    lots0

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    I think the secret licensing speaks for it's self.... ROGUE.

    As far as Nick I have asked Bryan to publish the pab info he has. Be nice if he's do it here, in this thread. As I don't think I'm welcome at cm anymore... I didn't know(actually I forgot that) bryan and nick are personal friends... lol

    And yes Bryan... it is all over a measly $350+ that was stolen from me.

    Seems some of you didn't know - Theft = denying property to the rightful owner.

    My money(property) was denied to me(Stolen), then after two years I was able to recover PART of what was stolen, with the help of Casinomeister's pab service... thanks bryan...

    And it's not just the 'measly' $350, it is the PRINCIPLE... I realize that having Principles may be foreign to some in this business.. but I have them.
     
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    lots0

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    oops this info/link had already been posted...
     
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    Slotplayer: I think the consensus is that this place appeared under mysterious/suspicious circumstances. That the people running things are at least in part the old CasinoCoins crew. Who the "new" owners are is being kept very secret and most believe that they are either CasinoCoins or they stole the player database from affiliates. Also the site is a blatant rip off of English Harbor making no one very comfortable. It even had the old EH Summer of Slots tournaments on it for some time and graphical elements are clearly ripped off. Nick knew about LS long ago, but didn't tell any but a handful - therefore affiliates were unable to hold EH and CasinoCoins to honor its agreements as we were told they were "just leaving" and that's all we could get out of them.

    Lots0:
    the really humorous thing is this (According to LS themselves) "Deciding if an online casino is worth trusting is of simply a matter of reading honest reviews and determining if it is licensed" Trusting Online Casinos - so according to Liberty Slots site itself, you should be wary of them.


    Nick Yap
    : always been a great AM for me, and I plan to promote this group, but only after being honest, because I feel that integrity is one of the most important things we have as humans. I am not giving a "pass" , they will go in my un-rated section (see bottom of this post). Players like the software and games and I'm not going to restrict them from having a good time, nor am I going to lose out on the traffic. If they begin doing anything unsavory to players then its a whole new game.

    Moderators Read here: http://www.affiliateguarddog.com/forums/vegas-tech-back-t4635.html

    It is easy to understand why people are going to be suspicious. Some of the angriest people in that thread are now the welcoming committee here and you know it. Additionally the questions in that thread are still unanswered and apparently, after London, the questions seem to have become unimportant to the most vocal of voices of that thread.

    Andy wanted: "run major SEO campaign against them," and rogue them,
    Dominque was: "shocked!" and
    Bonusstreak wanted: to confront the "ass clowns" and thinks the site looks like it "was designed by a 12 year old."

    Worst of all in my opinion is

    Andy is tired of people "saying stuff they can't back up" - but that seems to be applied selectively. For example, how come this company that everyone was so convinced is CasinoCoins, are now certified and defended just because the affiliate manager says its a different company? but before they were ready to rogue them and run campaigns against them? How come affiliate programs are not asked to back up their facts to us, but affiliates are ?


    The affiliate manager is being trusted on his word, yet affiliates are being demanded to provide proof of things, despite all the evidence around that was riling up a large portion of the AGD team! You should know this stuff is coming!! This looks very underhanded.

    The standard applied to Affiliate Programs should be at a minimum as strict as you want to hold affiliates to. You are asking affiliates to prove facts that look pretty obvious, while simultaneously you are allowing programs that are looking shady to say things without proving them. Not only that, you are "thanking" threads that contain known false hoods and NOT thanking people who are bringing up quite relevant points even if you don't like their tone, and yes the contrast speaks volumes. This is a double standard, undeniably. (your tagline says: "protecting affiliates interests")

    It's been leaked that this outfit is being run by "an existing program that most are familiar with." Bonusstreak was coming out of her skin to find out who they were and confront them. Then apparently Nick asked her if she knew and she lost all desire for due diligence even though she was speaking to the source - her big chance to find out for us affiliates!?! ... now the same people are here cheering this group on without answers to the questions that were driving them insane. Who does it look like we are protecting here?


    If you just take the parties claimed to be involved: VegasTech, WagerTech, and Liberty Slots, common sense should tell you very quickly that the database did not just walk away. Do you really think LS didn't want it? I thought VT was leaving the market place? They don't have any use for it in that case. Their entire site looks like English Harbor, runs on the same software, and is employing the same people.

    New members, I urge you to read between the lines here and look at the post I mentioned.

    Andy if you are really making as little money as you claim in thread after thread, you've certainly backed the wrong horse.
     
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    lots0

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    I've never even told my side of what happened with casino coins in the first place. But since I am being called delusional, by someone who is respected here... I thought my side of the casino coins story needed saying.

    1. Back in 2007 I had been an affiliate with casino coins for around a year and was happily making an average of 1k a month with casino coins and showing steady growth.

    2. Then a couple of days after a rather nasty public disagreement/fight/argument with Lou Fabino(deceased owner/operator of CAP), my casino coins stats just stopped working. The total amount owed to me showing on the stats when they stopped working was $350.
    Lou later bragged to me and others about how he told the cc people to 'blow me off'... and no I can't prove what Lou said or if what he said was true. But I sure believe it was true and so do others that knew Lou.

    3. Over the next two years I sent more emails than I can count to casino coins. I sent the emails to all the cc email address I could find and I used different email address, thinking that maybe my email got banned by 'mistake'. 1K a month is a sizable income, so I don't think I have to prove I tried everything I could think of to contact them.

    4. I kept their banners and links up for three months, before I pulled them. (not as fast back then as I am now... live and learn)

    5. Not one single response in over two years, to the dozens of emails that I sent.

    6. Skip ahead to 2009, Casino Coins wants to get certified on Casinomeister, I saw an opportunity to collect and let folks know what kind of people were running cc. So I bitched in casinomeister forum (Much like I have done here) and filed a pab... If you have read this thread, you know the rest of the story.


    Nick was the affiliate manager of casino coins for those two years.
    How is it possible that he was not aware of what was going on? All those emails, my stopped income and stats, my lost players... How is it possible Nick Yap as affiliate manager of casino coins did not know what was going on?

    I haven’t ever even brought up before the lost income, of at least three months of earning ~1k... and the loss of a nice stable of players...

    Because all I could "prove" (I had a screen shot of the stats, after they 'froze') was the measly $350...
     
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