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Discussion in 'VideoSlots Affiliates' started by bonustreak, May 21, 2014.

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    slotplayer

    slotplayer Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    imo you've got to be nuts to recklessly spread your personal information/id to any of these off shore programs. I'd rather leave money on the table than have it possibly it come back to haunt me years later.
     
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    A reminder is sent to all affiliate managers.
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    slotplayer

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    Affiliates would be showing up at their door step armed to the hilt.
     
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    AussieDave

    AussieDave 17 years & still going!

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    While this doesn't affect me personally, it seems issues like this and others, seem to fall off the radar and are not followed up on.

    Good example is this pearler:

    That was stated in May 2014.

    It's now June 2015. As far as I know USA affiliates are still jumping through hoops and there is no "revamped" aff program either.

    Maybe the AGD accreditation process needs "revamping" too. Checks put in place to gauge which Countries affiliates will be paid in without hassle, could be a good one for starters.

    Could also do some ownership research too. Just saying...
     
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    They did disable some of the affiliate stats a few weeks ago. When asked why they did so they said it is for their revamp of the affiliate program. Sounds weird to me. You don't have to disable the breakdown of the revenue share in order to move to another platform or update.
     
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    I was a fan of these guys when Lucas was at the helm for the affiliate program. However, any program that says they have to disable ANY stats to move to another program is lying. You can send stats to multiple places easily enough. Disabling information is extremely sketchy, IMO.
     
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    millm

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    Well, I have also had some stats-issues that I still don't understand. The License fee is sometimes positive and sometimes a negative amount. I don't know why that is and I still have not got a proper answer that I understand.

    Does anyone here have a clue of what is happening when the License fee is negative (in the stats). All the variables that are being deducted from the Gross are always positive numbers like the bonus cost, bank fee etc etc. I thought that the license fee is a fee that is paid to the game developer each time a player makes a play regardless of the outcome (win/lose).
     
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    AussieDave

    AussieDave 17 years & still going!

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    Seriously o_O

    I didn't promote them, I based that decision on Lucas being cagey and always side-stepping direct questions. Maybe because you own AGD you weren't subjected to wading through the semantical BS, like the rest of us.

    Nothing personal Andy but VideoSlots is a certified program here.

    There are other programs who are AGD certified who are also not living up to this endorsement. Maybe it's time to overhaul and revisit ALL programs and revaulate their current status qou... It would save members/visitors a lot of frustration and lessen the chances of being shafted...just sayin
     
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    I do not know how owning AGD makes a difference, captain negative. I am still an affiliate as much as anyone else here, I believe. Do I go looking for conspiracy theories? No. I work instead.

    I agree with you, programs need re-evaluation.
     
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    AussieDave

    AussieDave 17 years & still going!

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    I'm not negative just a realist BIG difference.
    And yes your an affiliate but a part-time one! You have a fulltime (9-5) job - unlike those of us that actually do this for a living full-time.

    So if I come across as being concerned about programs or voice my opinions, it's NOT because I'm negative or trying to stir up sh#t. No... It's because my affiliate business... is my full-time job and it's my only income.

    Hence my priorities to my aff business maybe divergent to your part-time one.
     
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    AussieDave

    AussieDave 17 years & still going!

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    You know if the work load is too great then ask members for help.
    Getting affiliates involved in AGD, where, they generally spend a proportion of their time each day contributing with posts/help etc, would seem like a worthwhile cause.

    People luv to feel part of something and that their donation of time is going toward making AGD better for everyone.

    Just some food for thought ;)
     
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    Guard Dog

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    B4U - the negative comment comes from the fact that there are nearly no positive posts from you for long periods of time. Doesn't matter part-time or full-time if you depend upon that income, which I do. No reason for you to knock on my income wherever it comes from.

    I do ask the members for help. Maybe I could ask for more, sure.
     
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    AussieDave

    AussieDave 17 years & still going!

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    Fact - If something deserves credit I'll give it.

    However I'm not about to sugar coat issues with sematic BS, while pissing in people's pockets.
    Reiterating... I'm not negative just a realist.

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    I don't expect much apart from straight honest answers to my questions. If someone chooses to play silly-buggers, then I'm going to speak up about it. Pity few more people didn't catch my kind of so-called-negativity...just sayin :D
     
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    slotplayer

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    the numbers don't lie, you always go by the numbers despite the best AM sell.

    that' why I'm always asking to see data [of any kind], instead of reading replies like "yeah they always pay me", like that is some "gift from god". Here is a clue, they're supposed to pay you, there is no mystery to it,

    don't let programs make it seem like they are doing you a favor by giving you what you've rightfully earned. to much twisting of what is normal business practices in the this industry.
     
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    AussieDave

    AussieDave 17 years & still going!

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    Mate, that's one of the best and most truthful posts I've seen in ages. And your right... we shouldn't have to feel like our "AM" or the affiliate program is doing us a favour in paying us what we are entitled to receive.
    • Business A performs duty/service for Business B;
    • Business B pays Business A.
    Outside the iGaming industry B2B has operated like this for centuries - it is not rocket science.
     
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    bonustreak

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    After this thread I have had a few affiliates come to me and say they have done some audits with this program and players are NOT being tagged....

    Someone needs to do a full on audit and take away the good status of this program at AGD.... Just saying
     
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    good idea. I never promoted them but an audit is always smart. ongoing audits at that.
     
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    slotplayer

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    it really isn't.
     
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    I really hope that all players do get tagged at VS. But we have to keep in mind that their cookie-time is only 24h. That's very low compared to many other programs.
     
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    KasinoKing

    KasinoKing Player turned affiliate.

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    AFAIK if the players collectively win, the license fee will be negative.
    I'm 100% sure the casino would not be paying any fees if they are also losing money on the games!

    Regarding the other comments in this thread: I am broadly in agreement with what everyone has said. When I started promoting VS in Jan 2014 I thought they were really the bees knees, but since then they have given me various minor causes for concern to the point where I am seriously considering if I want to continue working with them.
    Unfortunately they are not going to AAC next week - if they were I would definitely be discussing some issues with them.

    KK
     

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