VA - are you cross marketing w/o affiliate tags?

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    arkyt

    arkyt Calling it like I see it.

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    I tell you what affiliates dont want - we dont want to be cheated!!! THAT would be highly appreciated!!!
     
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    vegas.aff

    vegas.aff Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Hi All,

    We would really appreciate constructive feedback on the subject regarding the landing pages please

    Thank you in advance
    Vegas Affiliates
     
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    arkyt

    arkyt Calling it like I see it.

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    How more constructive can you get? Stop cheating your partners! That doesnt mean just "landing pages" it means in every area of your operations!

    How many players has Floridita acquired as a result of these particular links?
     
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    Guard Dog

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    That doesn't help anyone. Let's be professional and work WITH our partners to get things straightened. They seem to be trying here, so let's let them try and find out what will happen.
     
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    arkyt

    arkyt Calling it like I see it.

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    Ok... screw over affiliates, then after that fact - say you will fix things and everything will be fine and dandy.

    Seriously - how many chances do programs get?

    They get endless chances because they are paying to be certified?
     
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    Guard Dog

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    Give me a damn break. Don't even put shit like this out there. You know very well that VA doesn't pay AGD a cent. Neither do any of the certified programs UNLESS they are Platinum Partners and there is a very nice document that you have very likely seen about this, but if not - please take a look at it:

    Affiliate Guard Dog Certifications - Platinum Certified Programs

    The way I see it... we have blacklisted Vegas Affiliates for the threatening of affiliates as well as the retroactive change. That blacklisting WORKED. And now they have removed that term and stopped the threatening.

    I see this as a positive change. If programs listen to our blacklisting, then that only helps us and makes us stronger - don't you think?
     
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    arkyt

    arkyt Calling it like I see it.

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    Yes I knew it was only platinum sponsors that were required to pay here ... my bad, I should have verified VAs certification status here before posting that. I guess I need to find out exactly what "Certified Casino Affiliate Programs" indicates.

    That still doesnt answer the question - how many chances do programs get?

    I'm sure you know parts of my VA story - its my opinion that they bent me over six ways ... now we see that they are yet again screwing affiliates over - how many chances do programs like this get?
     
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    Guard Dog

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    That's a tough question. VA has made a set of bad judgements during a period of time and have paid for that by being blacklisted, rogued, and more. This has obviously caused a problem with their brands (as we had expected it to).

    Now - it may be monetary, but they seem to be trying to make up for those errors in judgement. They changed their terms (and, trust me, that was monumental for them). It was not something they wanted to do.

    That change was in april 2010 and they are still listed with a warning here at AGD. That warning will last as long as their poor judgements in the past. This means a 9 month phase where they are listed with a warning.

    We can only trust that our measures have helped VA to understand our position and that they will continue to act in good faith in the future. We can do no more than this. VA was a good program for a very long time and simply lost their way. It's time to let them find their way back.

    If they do not, it is simple to rogue and leave them to the wolves. I have faith, though.
     
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    bonusgeek

    bonusgeek Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    I don't think anyone is interested in changing out links, so if your going to add the vip lounge into a landing page, I think affiliates should have to opt into that instead of that being the default.

    We are all for tools that are supposed to help the traffic convert better, but we are not interested in having our traffic siphoned off to a brand like floridita where everyone earns money on our referral but us. I don't know who would opt into a landing page while that brand is on there anyways.

    So in summary, please just set our links back to the way they were before you had the vip lounge peel on there, and let us decide if we want our traffic to see the vip lounge peel.
     
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    arkyt

    arkyt Calling it like I see it.

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    I disagree, years of rogue-ness aren't erased by a simply apology and a promise to change, but this thread isn't the place to go into it. (sorry for the derail.)
     
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    WCD Admin

    WCD Admin Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    VegasAff: Have them remove Floridita and the dead brand NOW, and then do what you're suggesting afterwards. However, I personally don't like taking people away from the main property and I don't want to change links either (like Rick said) the default should be NO peel-away.

    Thanks for doing something about this :)
     
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    vegas.aff

    vegas.aff Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Dear all,

    Following our previous question about the affiliate landing pages we would like to show them to you. We would set those up in VA system for you to use them asap.
    Do you want them to be set on default (no need to change any links for you), or to be implemented separately (you would be able to decide yourself whether to use those and change the links)?

    Grand Hotel Casino Special
    Colosseum Casino :: Special
    Vegas Slot :: Special

    Your constructive feedback would be highly appreciated.

    Many thanks,
    Vegas Affiliates
     
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    Engineer

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    The pages without links to Casino VIP Lounge should be the default.

    Why do the new landing pages look nothing like the regular casino sites? Why did you do that? Why don't you set up landing pages that look exactly like the regular casino homepages, minus the peel ad in the top-right corner? IMO this is what you should do.

    Not that I have plans to promote VA, though, after Seb stole much of my future residual income in retaliation for me speaking out against your retroactive T&Cs last year. :rolleyes: Feel free to set the rate back to what it was originally, before Seb screwed with it. Until you make that right by honoring the original deal, VA will remain a rogue affiliate program in my eyes, and I will continue to recommend that my peers steer clear of VA....
     
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    inspiration

    inspiration Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Good to know this I do not like programs that steal and have threatened affiliates.

    :eek:
     
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    Aussie-Dave

    Aussie-Dave Former AGD Member

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    It takes Vegas Affiliates 6 days to respond to their partners :eek:

    Vegas Affiliates Warning.

    This thread is just another reason why VA should be blacklisted.


    Cheers

    :)

    Dave
     
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    WCD Admin

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    I've also thrown them back on the blacklist at World Casino Directory despite earning thousands from them each month. Too bad they ran Monica out.

    If owners read this board, I suggest you call her up and BEG. This team you have here has know for week now that you are cross-promoting Floridita with OUR TRAFFIC.

    THIS IS THEFT! :mad:

    happy Thanks Giving you stingy assholes.

    OH and happy early christmas, here is your present: http://online.worldcasinodirectory.com/grand-hotel-casino
     
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    vegas.aff

    vegas.aff Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Dear all,

    We have made our best to eliminate the issue with Floridita and Vegas VIP Lounge by introducing fresh and optimized affiliate landing pages. Moreover by this thread we have asked about your feedback about the proposed ones.

    We regret to notice that instead of a constructive feedback on those, the subject has moved in absolutely different direction - to personal matters. We want to ensure everyone that all issues about agreed commercials would be discussed privately and agreed to a mutual benefit.

    Thanks,
    Vegas Affiliates
     
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    GFPC

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    Anyone willing! Since I have little time to write and am not 100% clean of all the issues - I can add VA on my pages as press releases with warnings!!

    I suggest massive press releases and they do well - If anyone wants to write them I will post them.

    Not attack types - factual opinion type stuff to stop any lawsuit type issues, I have had enough of those..
     
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    vegas.aff

    vegas.aff Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Dear GFPC,

    We would be happy to answer all issues you may have with us. Should you have any questions or unresolved issues with us please get in touch.

    As we have communicated earlier, we are to set up special landing pages for affiliates (to eliminate any cross-marketing concerns) and resolve all commercial issues by PMs or emails.

    Many thanks,
    Vegas Affiliates
     
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    arkyt

    arkyt Calling it like I see it.

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    Monica was working on my winner issue - I actually had a good month the month after she took up the case - the next month she was gone. Coincidental? I think not!

    I reckon I need to work on my own rogue site; I'm pretty good at getting rankings!
     
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