VA - are you cross marketing w/o affiliate tags?

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    WCD Admin

    WCD Admin Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Here is my link with my code on it: xhttp://grandhotelcasino.com/?UL=en&btag=aff_102_c2886_b4878

    .... if you click it you'll see Grand Hotel.

    Look at the peel-away ad. Goes to portal of your own sites with links that have NO affiliate tags following. :mad:

    what is this all about?
     
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    Aussie-Dave

    Aussie-Dave Former AGD Member

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    Hi WCD,

    I just checked the link. clicked the peel away and was redirected to:
    xxxhttps://www.casinoviplounge.com/cvl/rewards.asp

    Pull the source code of that page, tried to find a btag or aff tag. Found nothing just straight links.

    Unless the cookie is set on the PC from the visit via the original link you posted. Anyone who happens to click on any of the straight links at casinoviplounge page the system recognises them as your traffic.

    Of course that's a long shot...Because casinoviplounge.com/cvl/rewards.asp is dynamic so it should reciprocate your aff tags (btag) into all the links to all the Mini Vegas casino properties on that page.

    Just seeing open links would concern me....But as I've said before I don't trust FA any more, so I suppose anything is possible.



    Cheers

    :)

    Dave
     
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    vegas.aff

    vegas.aff Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Hi

    We would like to assure all affiliates that the cookies are active even when players visit Casino VIP Lounge after clicking the link on the referred casino site.
    CasinoVIPLounge is linked from the casinos to allow players to understand the benefits of this additional loyalty program. The points collected with the casino you referred the player too are counting also towards CasinoVIPLounge loyalty, thus giving the player even more incentives and promotions to stay. And the bonuses awarded by CasinoVIPLounge are redeemable in the referred casino.

    Please feel free to contact us should you have any further concerns.

    Best Regards
    Vegas Affiliates
     
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    Aussie-Dave

    Aussie-Dave Former AGD Member

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    It is after all the internet, anyone can say anything...Whether it's true or not...No offence personally but most times aff programs tell affiliates anything in hope to shut them up!

    I'd like to see some proof, like show us evidence here, you know in public ...
    If you've got nothing to hide you'll gladly do it.



    Cheers

    :)

    Dave
     
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    vegas.aff

    vegas.aff Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Hi,

    We are quite willing to prove to you that the initial cookie is still active when visiting CasinoVIPLounge and that there are no new cookies set or old ones overwritten. We are wondering how we could provide this prove? We are very open to this, but prove from our side could again be considered “one sided”. Any affiliate can undertake this test themselves by visiting the casino site; click to the CasinoVIPLounge site to then sign up to the referred casino, keeping in mind that registration date is lagging 3 days in our system.

    Best Regards
    Vegas Affiliates
     
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    inspiration

    inspiration Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    I visited vegas slot casino and clicked on the flash link and saw this

    xhttps://vegasslot.gameassists.co.uk/vegasslot/default.asp?btag=446_200_265_110_503&trackingguid=52d5dd42-a9ed-49c7-b98e-2b48bb6ec46f

    I highly doubt that this tracks to WCD's account.

    on your vip loung site there are

    xhttp://floriditaclubcasino.com/en/home.aspx for which affiliates do not have affiliate links
    xhttp://vegaspokercasino.com --> redirect to vegas slot casino

    To summarize it : we get shaved thru your x promotion.
     
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    WCD Admin

    WCD Admin Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    I also hate to be an ass about this, but
    are you still using a 286 running MSDOS? Fix your system is a good idea. Most computers can make entries in less than a second.

    How can we test something if it doesn't show a result for 3 days. Do you think our life should revolve around testing affiliate programs?

    I have a better solution - remove the freaking CasinoVIPLounge which of course is not a lounge at all but an unnecessary vehicle (which looks like it shaves us) to treat your VIPs to another casino without my tag. Additionally, whats wrong with just treating a VIP like a VIP? why do you need another site to do this? hmmm? OR whats wrong with having my tags follow through to the casinoVIPlounge?
     
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    vegas.aff

    vegas.aff Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Hi and thanks for your concerns.
    As we replied earlier we had some tests done and the cookies work fine.

    2 inspiration: We also tried to replicate the problem you addressed and the only possible scenario we can see right now is that you used different browser, so casino page displayed with a btag which is not related to an affiliate account.

    2 WCDadmin: Unfortunately it is not about the slow functionality of VA system, it is a delay of pushing the data from Microgaming system to ours. You can see the clicks in real time, but the signups and deposits are showing up after three days.
    As for CasinoVipLounge system, it is a separate rewards site created on top of regular casino promotions to increase the retention rate and deposit amounts of your players.

    To sum up about the main concern- the cookies are working normally and you won’t lose your referred player who came back to the designated casino after visiting CasinoVipLounge. However to eliminate your concerns, we are working on creating a separate funnel for the affiliates traffic to our casinos and would update all of you about it shortly.


    Best Regards
    Vegas Affiliates
     
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    arkyt

    arkyt Calling it like I see it.

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    I wonder if that new system is where my latest whale was moved? Hmmmmmmm.
     
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    Engineer

    Engineer Super Moderator

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    But while they are away playing at VIP Lounge, the affiliate earns nothing on the losses at that casino -- is that correct? VIP Lounge isn't in the stats, so I assume that must be the case. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    If I'm right -- why do you think that is okay to do? An affiliate sends players, then you entice the players to a separate casino where the affiliate is cut out of the rev-share agreement. Do you think that is fair?
     
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    vegas.aff

    vegas.aff Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Hi all,

    2 Arkyt: If you are referring to a player we have discussed previously, we want to remind you that player was a bonus abuser and not a whale, and the player was completely removed. And sorry for the confusion, there is no new system.

    2 Engineer: Casino VIP Lounge is not a casino, it is a rewards site. Basically it is designed to offer all our players additional rewards on top of current casino bonuses. Thus we are investing more to increase the retention rates of your players.

    Best Regards
    Vegas Affiliates
     
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    WCD Admin

    WCD Admin Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Yes I think it would make affiliates feel a lot better if you added in their tags or some visible way for us to see whats happening. It's just really hard to go check EVERY link, to make sure its tracking, checking cookies, etc on 100s of gaming sites.

    Thanks for replying and trying to do something. I do appreciate your involvement and not just running away. :)

    Edited to add: however looking at Rick's post below, I'm not satisfied yet either
     
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    bonusgeek

    bonusgeek Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    I see 2 casinos at the bottom that are not included in our stats, vegas poker casino and foridita. So correct me if I am wrong but it looks to me like engineers concerns are still valid. Do we earn on these casinos?
     
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    WCD Admin

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    Thanks Rick! VegasAff what is that!? There is NO excuse left now. Please revisit this thread.
     
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    arkyt

    arkyt Calling it like I see it.

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    You don't classify someone who deposits hundreds of thousands of dollars a whale? My bad - I apologize.

    Since you have them tagged as an abuser - would you mind sharing their info with the community so that others can be on the look out for them?
     
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    vegas.aff

    vegas.aff Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Hi all,

    2 bonusgeek and WCD Admin: Thanks for your questions. Those two casinos are not part of VA group of Merchants. Vegas Poker Casino is not actively acquiring players, the traffic is redirected to Vegas Slot Casino. We are keeping the logo just to not confuse any existing VegasPoker players.

    2 Arkyt: We have provided you with the report and the explanation why we tagged this player as a bonus abuser earlier. We cannot share player’s data.


    Best Regards
    Vegas Affiliates
     
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    WCD Admin

    WCD Admin Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    That is not a very good answer.

    So first you send your VIPs to a property that is not accepting players (please remove this)

    Second, you did not mention the other brand: foridita - this one makes me mad! and is clearly THEFT.

    Finally why don't you just remove the peel-away (do you like controversy? - this sucks for us having to police this crap) - just take it down. Its unnecessary. ALSO a peel-away??? that is COMPLETELY unnecessary.
     
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    vegas.aff

    vegas.aff Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Dear WCD Admin and all,

    We will be introducing special landing pages for affiliates. The landing pages are optimized for conversion with more call to action elements. These pages will not have any destructions for your potential players (no logos of our loyalty system).

    We would like to kindly ask you, if you would like us to make those the default landing pages, or add them into the system separately so you can choose to either link to the new landing pages or the casino homepages as it is right now?

    Your feedback would be highly appreciated.

    Many thanks
    Vegas Affiliates
     
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    Guard Dog

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    Please answer the Floridita question Vegas.Aff. This is starting to get very annoying to all of us.
     
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    vegas.aff

    vegas.aff Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Hi All,

    There will be a landing page for each casino which is currently being tracked in our system. There will be no reference to Florodita or to Casino VIP Lounge.

    Best Regards
    Vegas Affiliates
     

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