Prime Partners asking to NOT be Rogued - Feedback

[Guard Dog]

hey all,

Prime Partners is asking to be removed from the ROGUE list because all issues have been resolved. Firstly, is that true? Second, what were all the issues? I recall:

* Affiliate Payment issues

* Player Payment issues


Anything else people remember? Anyone have an opinion on this? I recall once we re-listed Prime and the place went haywire - however, I can't even find those threads now

 

[FictionNet]

I've been working with Prime for a year or so now, promoting the Prime Scratchcard brands only. It is my standard practice with scratchcard sites to start them off on a prepaid cpa basis. After a few prepraid campaigns, if everything has gone well (conversions, payment without nagging, no player complaint issues) then I usually move the site to postpaid as normal. If I recall correctly, I moved Prime to postpaid after six months or so and a handful of no hassle campaigns. I've been working with Avital at Prime and she's been very helpful. So overall, I've had a good experience with Prime.

 

[FictionNet]

I should add - I was supposed to meet up with Prime in London but Martyn Beacon got me shitfaced the night/morning before our meeting and I spent the second day of the conference in my hotel room, thinking I was dying.

 

[ThePOGG]

Hey all - we've recently published an article on SkillOnNet software's - that's the software provider that Prime use for their MegaCasino - very probable use of non-random software. Nothing against Prime specifically but as long as they continue to use a software platform that has been shown with a very very high degree of certainty to allow the casino to configure the house edge on games that should never be configurable i think that's another very good reason for Prime to remain on the rogue list.

For those that are interested - hxxp://thepogg.com/casino-blacklist/skillonnet-software/

 

[PrimePartners]

Hi Y'all,
Just wanted to give you an update from our side. Most things around our affiliate program and the service we give have been greatly improved. As far as we know every debt has been paid and things are back on track.
Never the less, if you know about other problems we have or would like to raise an issue, I am here in your disposal.
Please feel free to contact me either through here or to my email (affiliates@primepartners.com).
Yours,
Gal Blatman
Manager of the Prime Partners Affiliate Program

 

[PaaskeUK]

Could you explain why we should trust you now?? And fear that suddenly will be none payment again. Also Negative carry over is a NO NO for me now. I only work with no negative from now on. Only couple I accept that has that but only if its a BIG and great brand which offers great service and platform. Not something i feel about you guys sorry.

 

[PrimePartners]

Could you explain why we should trust you now?? And fear that suddenly will be none payment again. Also Negative carry over is a NO NO for me now. I only work with no negative from now on. Only couple I accept that has that but only if its a BIG and great brand which offers great service and platform. Not something i feel about you guys sorry.

To answer your first question, I'd advice to check the other posts around the forum. It seems that everyone had a great experience while dealing with us while the program was headed by my predecessor's predecessor and the problems started when my predecessor took over the mantle. The state of the affiliate program worsened partly because of complaints such as yours (to show you we take into account your feedback), and she was replace by me. I would like to comment that like any business an employee should be given a chance and she was given a fair one, but when we saw she under performs we made the necessary adjustments. Again, most businesses would do the same - you hire someone who does a great job and you promote him. You get someone to replace him who under performs but for fairness sake you give him a chance. He's still not good so you replace him with someone you can trust and ask him to do damage control.
During my tenure as the head of the affiliate program in Prime Partners the program grew by more than a 150% and I "revived" many of the veteran affiliates - this would not have happened if I didn't give good service.
Now, regarding the neg. carry over, we definitely don't use it in our slots and scratch cards brands and usually waiver it with partners who promote our Mega Casino brand, so it shouldn't be a problem.
Our platform and services are top notch and we offer state of the art tracking. Our brands are also great performers and the affiliate program currently have partners who are paid very high sums in CPL, CPA or RS.
I am sorry that you don't feel this way about us and I don't know if this feeling came out of a bad experience with us, but I invite you to either contact me in private so we could try and solve your problems directly or sign in for yourself, send a little traffic (until we'll owe you a commission) and see for yourself that what I wrote is the truth.
I hope that I made myself understood and this whole thing didn't came out of "wanting to cheat you" but out of sub-par work which is now a non issue.
If you (or anyone else) want me to clarify about this or other issues or if you just want to talk soem more, please contact me either here or through my mail (affiliates@primepartners.com).
Best,
Gal Blatman,
Manager of the Prime Partners Affiliate Program

 

[Roulette Zeitung]

Hello ThePOGG,

Hey all - we've recently published an article on SkillOnNet software's - that's the software provider that Prime use for their MegaCasino - very probable use of non-random software.

[edit] Your article thepogg.com/skillonnet-software-non-randomnot-fair/ is working now - Thank you! - I will read it after feeding my zoo. [edit]

Please see our full report on our experiences testing their software – SkillOnNet non-random/Not fair.

[Before EDIT] thepogg.com/skillonnet-software-non-randomnot-fair/ is not working.
Can you please fix it? I am very interested in reading this article. [Before EDIT]

Hello PrimePartners,

Random Number Generator Certificate

Operator: Skill On Net

Operator URL: skillonnet.com

This is to certify that iTech Labs has evaluated the Random Number Generator (RNG) used by Skill On Net
and found that the RNG complies with the relevant standards.*

The RNG uses a well known algorithm to generate random numbers. The numbers generated by this RNG
have passed Marsaglia's "diehard" tests for statistical randomness.

iTech Labs has evaluated card shuffling for 6 and 8 deck games. iTech Labs has also evaluated scaling for
slots, dice and roulette games. The shuffling and scaling tests were conducted on large enough samples to
give the calculations sufficient statistical power.

iTech Labs has found that the card/number sequences are unpredictable, non-repeatable and uniformly
distributed.

The certified code for the RNG has been fingerprinted.

[...]

* The RNG was tested according to Danish standards.

Disclaimer.
While it is not possible to test all possible scenarios in a laboratory environment, iTech Labs has conducted a level of testing appropriate for a component test of this type.

Source: megacasino.com/RNG_Certificate_SkillOnNet_040313.pdf

can you please tell my in which way your casino is generating TRUE random numbers e.g. atmospheric noise?
It should be no secret because it will only be good for players to know.
Why i am asking?
Because the burnt child dreads the fire.
Look here: web.archive.org/web/20040622061119/http://www.start-your-casino.com/

ADMIN FEATURES

DEMO VERSIONS OF THE GAMES
(DEMO VERSIONS ARE SET TO WIN QUITE MORE)
SIMPLE REGISTRATION
INSTANT DEPOSIT
VERY FAST GAME LOADING!
(COMPILED FLASH GAME SIZE ~ 150K)
HISTORY OF THE GAMES PLAYED
INSTANT WITHDRAWAL
(CAN BE ENABLED/DISABLED VIA ADMIN PANEL)
ENHANCED SECURITY
(THE ADMIN PANEL CAN BE STORED ON LOCAL OR REMOTE SERVER)
ADD/REMOVE FUNDS
ONE CLICK MANUAL WITHDRAWALS
USERS MANAGEMENT
NEWSLETTER AND MAILING MANAGEMENT
STATS (GLOBAL, PER GAME)
GAMES AND TRANSACTIONS LOGS
PER GAME SETTINGS
SET CASINO PAYOUT/PROFIT

Leopold

 

[vegasdog78]

There is no way to remove from the rogue list an aff program partner with a casino using a non-random software ! Bye

 

[bonustreak]

This program has closed, reopened, closed, re opened... blah blah no they should not be off this rogue list they still owe many affiliates money from what I understand and have always operated shady!

 

[PaaskeUK]

This program has closed, reopened, closed, re opened... blah blah no they should not be off this rogue list they still owe many affiliates money from what I understand and have always operated shady!

Yes so think i will stick to what I stated earlier. I do hope many affiliates will comment now in this thread. Especially the ones who they owed money in past and maybe still do.

 

[honestgaz]

A leopard never changes it's spots.

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me"

 

[PrimePartners]

Hello PrimePartners,

can you please tell my in which way your casino is generating TRUE random numbers e.g. atmospheric noise?
It should be no secret because it will only be good for players to know.
Why i am asking?
Because the burnt child dreads the fire.

Leopold[/QUOTE]

Hi Leopold,
Our program is certified by national gaming/gambling boards. These boards certify it by conducting monthly SW checks using a third party to insure the players are not in any way cheated. This is apparent by the fact that we are still certified and were never once banned in any country stating the reason as "not generating random numbers / fixed SW".
That said, as I saw that you already knew it (posting the certification on your reply), how do you suggest I can prove it to you further? Tell, and I will seek the way to prove it.
Yours,
The Prime Partners rep.

 

[PrimePartners]

Hello PrimePartners,

can you please tell my in which way your casino is generating TRUE random numbers e.g. atmospheric noise?
It should be no secret because it will only be good for players to know.
Why i am asking?
Because the burnt child dreads the fire.

Leopold

Hi Leopold,
Our program is certified by national gaming/gambling boards. These boards certify it by conducting monthly SW checks using a third party to insure the players are not in any way cheated. This is apparent by the fact that we are still certified and were never once banned in any country stating the reason as "not generating random numbers / fixed SW".
That said, as I saw that you already knew it (posting the certification on your reply), how do you suggest I can prove it to you further? Tell, and I will seek the way to prove it.
Yours,
The Prime Partners rep.

PS
Sorry for posting the same reply again - I bungled out the quote :-(

 

[PrimePartners]

This program has closed, reopened, closed, re opened... blah blah no they should not be off this rogue list they still owe many affiliates money from what I understand and have always operated shady!

Hi bonusstreak,
Thank you for you comment, however the Prime Partners affiliate program has operated continuously since it was established.
Furthermore, since I took over the program every operating or otherwise affiliate was paid in full. If I am mistaken I invite said affiliate to send me a mail with his platform login details and I will check how much we owe him and pay if he is eligible to be paid.
Again, as I wrote before, the program had encountered a "bad streak" of just a few months caused by a specific employee who is not in the company any more. Anything before or after said "streak" has received many compliment (even in this forum).
My contact details are affiliates@primepartners.com and my name is Gal. I encourage anyone (you included) who feels the way you do to contact me directly so he could get personal direct service by me and see for himself that the accusations raised in this thread are no longer in any way true.
Yours,
Gal Blatman
The Prime Partners Rep.
affiliates@primepartners.com

 

[FictionNet]

This is on Prime's site, in the FAQ: "We will forward your payment by the 15th of the following month."

If Prime want to be taken seriously, they need to stick to their own payment schedule. When will we be paid for June revenue?

 

[ThePOGG]

Hi Leopold,
Our program is certified by national gaming/gambling boards. These boards certify it by conducting monthly SW checks using a third party to insure the players are not in any way cheated. This is apparent by the fact that we are still certified and were never once banned in any country stating the reason as "not generating random numbers / fixed SW".
That said, as I saw that you already knew it (posting the certification on your reply), how do you suggest I can prove it to you further? Tell, and I will seek the way to prove it.
Yours,
The Prime Partners rep.

PS
Sorry for posting the same reply again - I bungled out the quote :-(

I never checked back on this thread so never saw the further discussion. It should be noted that all a RNG does is generate a random number. And it's perfectly possible to have a perfect RNG and have the program that uses the results gaff the game.

For example;

I have a RNG that will generate a random number between 1 and 900. It functions perfectly and every number as an equal chance of coming out. Now I program a coin toss game. If I want the game to be fair I simply set it up so that if a number between 1 and 450 is returned a Head is displayed and if a number between 451 and 900 comes out a Tail is displayed. Of course if I wanted the game not to be fair I would just change the settings, for instances if I wanted to make Tails twice as likely as Heads, 1-300 returns a Head and 301-900 returns a Tail.

The bottom line here is that while having a certified RNG is part of proving that casino games are fair, it does not by itself prove anything. Moreover, in two separate studies, SkillOnNet software was shown to be non-random (it's actually a bit worse than the previously mentioned article made out as due to the fact that there were only two options, to gaff the game the game had to be actively adapting to what the player bet on). They may have adjusted the settings back once it became apparent that the issue was easily detectable, but by lying about it never having happened they certainly made it appear there's more to this issue.

 

[ThePOGG]

To be fair to Prime Partners - they happen to be a group of venues that be adding to the site in the near future alongside all other Microgaming sites we can find - only MegaCasino use SkillOnNet software. All their other venues use either NeoGames or Microgaming. I can't comment on the affiliate issues however.

 

[Darius]

How about the Prime Partners program? So silence since last post above. Is this program worth joining?
I will appreciate some feedback from current affiliates of Prime Partners.
Thank you.

 

[PrimePartners]

Hi Darius,

Thanks for your interest in Prime Partners!
Let me know if you have any questions about Prime Partners.
You can contact me on Skype primepartners_affiliates

Have a good day!
Prime Partners