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    WCD Admin

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    1) Accordingly, we make sure that you win as much as possible. We offer you Cash Back packages on your deposits as well as your losses. So, there is no chance of losing any money.

    - IF this is true, then the PLAYER cannot lose.
    - According to this statement a player can make a deposit, lose it, get it back then play again and again until they win. (this statement should be plenty to wake Affactive up!)
    - This is clearly NOT what's going on because I've yet to see a casino that allows "do-overs" until the player wins.

    Someone explain how perpetual motion doesn't work to these clowns. Someone is getting taken to the cleaners and I'd suspect its the visitors of this website being cheated and lied to.

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    2) I see no way for this affiliate to have knowledge of player data at Affactive. Without such data how can they even run their very own scheme?

    - If they do not have this information, why is Affactive allowing players to fall into the hands of an affiliate who created a system that can't possibly be verified or work properly given the limited data they have?

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    3) That's all in addition to spamming and falsely representing themselves as approved by GPWA and eCogra (I noticed they removed the seals)

    - Isn't this enough to shut down this affiliates account?


    I hate to be an ass or even really post, but the fact of the matter is I spent time working with you guys only to be shown that you don't appear to give a rats ass about us or our industry's reputation! That will be a lot of take down work. So tired of being begged to put a brand up and slapped the next day. :mad:
     
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    Daniel

    Daniel Affiliate Program Representative

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    Hi,

    Just wanted to address again this issue:

    Deleting cookies: we don't allow comments of this nature in any way and it will be corrected.

    Sharing info: never done. Too keep it short: cashback done in 1 of these 2 ways: either on forums with players posting their user names or if it's a promotion for all players of the affiliate it's done by CS (same as match bonus).

    Regarding spamming forums: won't work that way.

    Kind regards,
    Daniel
     
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    WCD Admin

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    I'm just curious about one thing:

    Excuse me for being slow.

    Can someone explain to me how is it possible for me to deposit money with no chance of losing money at a casino by using this affiliates scheme? I want to know this information so I can win the progressive and quit being an affiliate. I also wonder why the affiliate doesn't play himself and every time he loses just reimburses himself forever.

    I'd risk saying either I'm stupid or someone else is. OR that there is some form of scam going on?

    I'm all for being proven wrong... so let me have it.
     
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    Daniel

    Daniel Affiliate Program Representative

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    Hi,

    Obviously you won't be proven wrong.

    But...When you look on reviews or ratings in general, you have dozens of best casinos, best bonuses, ratings of 10, 9.9, 9.95 etc. Not to speak about the roulette system sites that the net is flooded with.

    Also, i have to say that for me there is a limit to the level of interference to the affiliates content and the way of work. People have their sense and they know what is casino. Yes, bonuses and cash back helps, but obviously they know that the house has the edge. (but you don't see many reviews that say "you have higher chanced to loose than to win" :)

    Kind regards,
    Daniel
     
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    WCD Admin

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    Our reviews are written by multiple people so in fact its possible to have multiple "Bests"

    Bests = subjective

    You can't lose = a lie
     
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    Daniel

    Daniel Affiliate Program Representative

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    Hi,

    I agree and disagree.

    The cashback is insurance for loses. You lose $100 you get $20 back. So the "You can't lose" line is referring to that. And players know that.

    I see dozen commercials each day of different aftershaves with gorgeous girls, yet i don't think that anyone buys them expecting to be torn a part by Victoria's Secrets' models. :rolleyes:

    Some things are for us are a "No go", like the cookie issue, incorrect data in other cases, etc. This one is not and i feel that it's beyond the limit of our interference with affiliates way of work and content.

    Kind regards,
    Daniel
     
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    I totally disagree with you, Daniel. Why don't you go talk to Gamblers Anonymous and ask them exactly how this 'you can't lose' affects their membership?
     
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    Vladi

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    I thought if you lost $100 and got $20 back you still lost $80. But then again I didn't go to school in the 21st century so who knows what they teach these days.

    So basically, you don't care what anyone says or does as long as they bring the players.

    But what intrigues me is why you allow incentivised play when just about every single other online casino does not. Do you have some new way to prevent players destroying you? Because offering 20% cashback on low variance games with <1% house edge is incredibly stupid, unless you plan to not pay them. It is so easy to exploit that I can't believe that both you and this affiliate are going to hold up your ends of the bargain. If I thought you would, I would sign up myself.
     
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    Daniel

    Daniel Affiliate Program Representative

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    Thanks. I'm ok with math.;)

    Yes, we are. I have contacted a lot of partners I work with asking to correct things that are misleading or just incorrect.

    Here you're not correct. If that is incentivised then also a special bonus or any bonus is incentivised. Cashback is just another type of promotion. That's all. You can find them in almost every casino in certain way (for specific affiliates, for specific payment methods, during weekends, etc).
    Needless to say that if the % were not in our favor it wouldn't be offered.

    In any case: Thank you all for your comments. I still don't agree 100%, but i get the point. We will contact the affiliate and request to rephrase this sentence.
     
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    Vladi

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    Actually I am correct and no bonuses are not the same because they almost always have wagering conditions attached that negate any advantage conceded to the player. According to the site in question, the cashback offer has no strings attached. It even says I can get cashback by just depositing, not even losing.

    For obvious reasons I'm not going to spell out in a public forum how to exploit such an offer. But if you must find out the hard way then good luck with that. Suffice to say that the numbers are not in your favour, unless all your customers are stupid or you refuse to pay the smart ones.
     
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    Daniel

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    Hi Vladi,

    Cashbacks are offered all other the net, meaning they do work somehow.

    The site will have a landing page with T&C. And of course you cannot deposit and get cashback, cashback based on netgaming.

    The numbers are in our favor, otherwise it wouldn't be offered. If you wish i can give more details privately.

    Kind regards,
    Daniel
     
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    Simmo!

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    I'm not an expert on poker but I think they work in that vertical because Poker works off a rake - whether the player wins or loses is irrelevant because the poker room (and affiliate) can only make. Hence why its rakeback and not cashback and shouldn't be confused with cashback - it's a different beast.

    Where a player is playing against an operator (as is the case with casino) cashback offers are done against the player's losses over a cumulative period which is why they are rare and subject to formulas. You'll also find casino cashback offers usually come with a WR and are treated effectively as a bonus. The casino would be mad not too.

    The best (well, the ONLY) cashback offer I can think of as an example is Canbet who offer 20%. BUT... it's capped at 150, its calculated weekly and it comes with a wagering requirement. I think it's attractive, but it is essentially just a bonus based on your previous play.

    So the upshot is, the player will probably only ever get to take advantage of a cashback offer (in casino) if he loses.
     
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    Vladi

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    Exactly Simmo. Cashback without playthrough requirements = huge player advantage.

    Given this guy's attitude, I hope they find that out the hard way!
     

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