PlayAttack/Drift Casino Denies a $12k Prize Because a Streamer Was Objective On Stream?

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    Eddie G

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    I'd like some explanation on this one:

    http://ttrcasino.ru/srochno-v-nomer-playattack-kinuli-dimka-i-zablochili-emu-akk/

    From what I understand, the guy won $12k in a casino race and received the following message from PlayAttack/Driftcasino:

    "В Вашем ролике присутствует негативная оценка казино Drift, в котором вы играли в рамках конкурса StreamApocalypse X2, что является нарушением правил партнерской программы:"

    Essentially the above means that the streamer presented some facts/opinions about Drift Casino that put them in a negative light, which according to PA is breaking the terms & conditions? Even more so, was his affiliate account blocked as well?


    Given that you are a Platinum Sponsor at the most trustworthy (IMO) forum for casino affiliates, it would be good to present your side of the story if there is one.
     
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    Serge @ PlayAttack

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    The streamer indeed put Drift Casino in a negative light and he did it on purpose, which is breaking PlayAttack rules. All the negative sides of the casino he listed (eg "fake soft") have no grounds. As for the fact that the streamer won $12k in Streamapocalypse, which is actually a race for streamers, organized by Playattack Affiliate Program, the prize will be paid in full and the accusation on ttrcasino.ru is completely unjustified.
     
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    AussieDave

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    I don't speak/understand Russian, can only rely of Google to translate the OP's posted URL. What intrigues me though is... what basis has Play Attack/Drift casino determined the negative comments of the Streamer were "on purpose" (said with malice)?

    Are you saying any affiliate et al who writes, lets say con's (the down-sides) to holding an account and playing at Drift casino, is in breach of any and all contractual agreements?
     
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    This is bullshit! This stream didn't say anything bad, just only the cons of the rules of your projects and your RULES is PURE SCAM!

    Guys, please read their rules, it's absolutely scam rules...

    p.s. I am a big affiliate from Russia and all project of the Plat Attack group already in Black List, all of their casino now - had a very bad experience with fake SoftWare, especially fake Novomatic.

    For example. Slot V - this is old casino with name SlotVoyager with fake Novomatic sofwater. Aplay Casino - Azart Play casino with also had a fake novomatic soft.


    They scam a lof of russian players, only on my forum i have many VERY negative review from their players....

    p.s. Sorry for my english
     
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    Their rules are incredible bad, for example. rule #31 (i can't post any link. but you can open any rules from their casinos)

    Rule #31
     
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    I am the streamer, who won the 5th stage of streamapocalypse competition.

    I am not a regular casino player, but for this competition i saw a way to get the necessary amount of point, which would give me positive EV, taking into consideration top prizes.

    I've made some test deposits, played a little, won, asked for verification, which took a little bit longer then expected, but in several days it was completed and i was able to withdraw winnings.

    Then, during the last days of competition i've made a deposit of roughly 20k$, without taking any bonuses. Then i started streaming, i was down -15k$ at some point, i was up +15k$ at some point, but ended around +6k$ and number of points enough to get the first place.

    Before stream i checked the rules (driftcasino_com/en/info/rules) and was quite surprised to find there such sentences:

    31. INSTITUTION WON BY PLAYERS
    31.1. There are special rules for the players who basically win the institution at the end of history of their games. The player wins over the institution if the withdrawn amount exceeds the amount of deposits made during the existence of the account.

    • These players don't get points (Drifts) in any games.
    • These players can't participate in promotions, tourneys and can't receive gifts. They can participate in casino events only if the terms are separately discussed.
    • These players have their own withdrawal limits determined by the administration.

    This rule basically means, that in case i win, thet can pay out as long, as they with, like 100$ a week.

    34. STRATEGIES
    34.1. We reserve the right to suspend, reclaim, or cancel any payouts or winnings associated with bonus money received from the Company (points, bonuses, etc.) if we have suspicions that you are trying to abuse them, and also in case of using any strategy or strategies for the purpose of guaranteed earning, either with the use of bonus incentives or without them.

    This is another sentence, which was quite dangerous for me, because i was playing 'with strategy', in particular slot, the win was not guaranteed, but quite possible.

    No doubt, this rules may exists, to prevent abuse, so it is OK for me, that they were there, most of gambling sites have very strict rules in case of abusing, but they shouldn't follow them strictly, when it is about normal players.

    I still decided to try, but then TTR gave me another link, where one popular russian casino streamer says that he is not going to work with playattack affiliates anymore, because of shaving, which is, as far as i understand, considered as bad practice.

    During the stream, some of viewers asked, why am i playing in casino with such a bad reputation. I have shared my concerns with viewers, regarding gossips that driftcasino is not the best place on the internet to play slots, but as long as they host the competition i am willing to try.

    I neither put any negative light, nor stated that casino has fake slots. More than that, i showed my viewers how to check if the software is legit (buy taking look at the endpoints where slot send requests) and it came out that casino uses official soft, at least for several providers.

    I do care really much about my reputation, so i was really worried about viewers accusing me in streaming with junk casino. Because of this i said several times, that while i still play in this casino, i can not recommend it because of bad rumours. I can not see, why own opinion without any statements can be classified as "negative light"

    Today i've send an email, asking when and how will i be able to receive the prize. I will provide translation of our conversations:

    > Please tell me how and when prizes will be paid for qualifying stages?
    < Prizes are paid to the affiliate account within 7 days after stage completion
    > I registered only on streamapocalypse, I do not have an affiliate account, how can I get a prize?
    < When creating a contest account, you were automatically created an account of the affiliate program palyattack.com and you accepted the terms of the partnership agreement when confirming the email address to which you received a letter containing a link to these rules. The rules of the affiliate program refer to the FAQ clause about the unacceptability of a negative evaluation of the casinos of the affiliate network brands, namely:
    < "We also strongly recommend to read the FAQ for webmasters to avoid violation of the rules on prohibited methods of attracting players and other moot points. Violation of FAQ rules is a violation of this agreement and cause for the webmaster account block"
    < and
    < "Offensive actions of webmaster
    <If a webmaster acts in an offensive way that intentionally discredits reputation of our brands, an affiliation will be one-sidedly terminated"
    < In your video there is a negative assessment of Drift casino, in which you played as part of the StreamApocalypse X2 contest, which is a violation of the rules of the affiliate program: youtu_be/7o5RCHe07jE?t=84 youtu_be/7o5RCHe07jE?t=606 youtu_be/7o5RCHe07jE?t=1009 Thus, we are forced to block your playattack account.

    So the sentence "Prizes are paid to the affiliate account" and "we are forced to block your playattack account" meant to me that they canceled my results during competition because of "offensive actions", basically, my own opinion about their casino. Well, they are the organizers, this rules probably were really there (and as i stated before it is normal, when such rules exists, the problem starts when they start applying it to normal clients), and it was quite funny for me, that the warnings about bad reputation of playattack got real. So i've replied...

    > Expected :) Rumors were confirmed. Are you sure you really want to deprive me of the prize for the fifth stage of the competition? You can still change your mind.

    Also, i shared information about this situation on my telegram channel, which is quite popular among russian gmabling community. I suspect, that some of the top managers saw my message and in several hours got reply:

    < The prize for participation in the competition will be paid in full in accordance with the rules of the competition. Further cooperation with the affiliate program will be terminated unilaterally.

    I have got an access to affiliate panel and it looks like that payments will be processed on time.

    So after all, i can say, i had a very pleasant experience with drift casino (excluding verification delay which took slightly more, than it should), i really liked their crypto cashier (i used etherium to deposit and bitcoin to withdraw, all wtransactions were processed in timely manner and without any complications). I have already receive withdrawal of my initial deposit and i will wait a little bit, before another competition end, as i have some good chances there too, before withdrawing the winnings.

    I expect to receive prize for participation in the competition on time as well. I do not have any claims neither to driftcasino, not to playattack, but i am still not sure, what would have happen, if i was some unknown streamer.
     
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    Also here is HUGE trouble with players, all casinos on PlayAttack platfrom don't let him block account! If the player ask block account - they skip and never block...
     
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    Ivan PlayAttack

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    We would like to make a summary for all that has been said here. Playattack didn't intend to deprive Streamapocalypse participant DimOK of his 5th stage prize nor did we explicitly make any statements pointing at such intention. The only decision we made is to block the streamer's affiliate account for multiple public sayings that discredit our brand. Unfortunately, DimOK made a hasty conclusion (that he was not going to receive the $12k prize) upon reading our email notification about the ban and this turned out to be the actual reason for all the subsequent posts. He already mentioned above that he had misread the notification from Playattack and he also expressed that in his response to us. His withdrawal has already been processed successfully by Drift Casino. The 5th stage Streamapocalypse prize pool is already being processed and all the prizes will be paid to all the winners in a usual way.
    As for the posts by TTR here, we have to say that this, as he calls himself, big affiliate from Russia was banned by Playattack and many other affiliate programs quite long ago for fraudulent actions and attempts of dishonest enrichment. These affiliate programs as well as their big affiliates since then have been subject for regular "smashing articles". We suppose that it is more than enough to mention that his brand TTR Casino is blacklisted on AskGamblers due to the fact that a member of their management has been found in conducting unjustified, abusive and defamatory campaign against AskGamblers. All the cases TTR keeps exaggerating on his blog have already been resolved and received official replies from Playattack. Particularly with the situation with DimOK, the streamer wrote above explicitly that it all was due to pure misunderstanding and he now no more complaints about our service. We hope that no such misunderstanding appears in the future and we wish everyone good affiliate earnings!
     
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    Eddie G

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    I don't know enough to address anything in this thread apart from pointing out that TTR Partners is an old name for 32Red, which is now a part of Kindred Group :)
     
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    Ivan PlayAttack

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    Yes, thanks, fixed a mistake.
     
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    :facepalm:

    TTR casino was blacklisted because of the my article about askgamblers working and how they abuse affiliate program and cover abusers and steal all aff traffic from casinos.

    I never worked with your affiliate programm, you are big big lier.

    I mean one of the best and fair affiliate in my region and my goal is like that forum - to provide info about scammer and non honest casinos and affiliate programm - like yours.

    I have a lot of proof how you ban players or you had user fake casino software on your sites


    I think the best idea - is to find some arbiter from this forum and i can provide all info byu skype and talk with him, after he will talk with playattack manager, i can provovide many many info about this affiliate programm
     
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    Also i d'like to hear comment from PlayAttack manager about their casino

    APlay - ex Azart Play Casino and Slot-V (ex SlotVoyager) - both casino were used to have fake novomatic software, i can provide any proofs
     
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    I am not connected to 32Red, but my nicnkame in gambling community was a far before TTR partners is appear. I have blog and also have a few casino, on of these - TTR Casino
     
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    Also, is very very interesting info about Admin Fee in this affiliate program, do you known that admin fee of playattack is 45%?
     
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    Hi guys!
    The only thing we have in common with the casinos TTR mentioned above as fake software is that we bought their players database and nothing more. As for all the other statements, we are not obliged to report to TTR about the casinos we have in PlayAttack because most part of our players are satisfied with their service.
    We would like to underline that TTR has never been affiliated with PlayAttack, therefore one can draw a conclusion that his attempts to ruin our reputation are actually nothing more than acts of self-PR by means of "black PR" for other brands. If you take a look at his blog you will discover that all the top casino brands are blacklisted there and he promotes mostly Soft-Swiss group casinos.

    Regarding DimOK’s case, Drift casino has paid all the winnings and PlayAttack has done the same with SA competition prize, therefore we consider the issue of this thread resolved.
     
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    So you bought databases and names of casino who USED fake Novomatic software?? Are you serious, lol!

    Stop to lie please, you have a lot of very very negative review from players and now from affiliates, cuz you deduct up to 45% admin fee!! You deduct all cost straight from affiliate!

    This topic not about me, this topic about your affiliate program and you do a lot of shit and lie about everything
     
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    Guys, i will try to make a good video about all situation of this affiliate program, pls someone can post it here, i will explain every detailt. I am not so good in english, so for me is better to make a video and explain details.
     
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