Bet365 - Terms will not be changed

[Guard Dog]

After approximately a month, Bet365 have verified that they will not be changing the quota from their terms. We did have several talks over this time period and there was some hope that the quota would be removed. However - today I was informed that the quota will remain in the terms.

At this point, I would not suggest promoting Bet365 without the knowledge that they CAN subject you to a quota which will remove your earnings. All terms which involve reducing/removing earnings are:


<div style="background-color:#FAA; margin-bottom:10px;border: solid #333 2px;"><div style="background-color:#F00; font-weight:bold; "><span style="font-size:18;">Dated:2011-07-19 - Commissions - Payment Date</span></div><b>4.1 Referral Fee Payout Requests</b> <br>Your bet365affiliate account must have a minimum of 5 active referred Customers before you will be eligible for Referral Commission payment. Subject to <a href="#bkmrk5254">clause 6,</a> you are entitled to one payout per month, providing you have fulfilled the above Customer requirement at the end of the preceding month.
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I really wish I could have helped affiliates with a positive change here at Bet365, but unfortunately it will not happen

 

[pdjoe]

Thanks for trying Andy!

 

[bonustreak]

They stand firm with these rules saying affiliates must be happy with so many awards they have won as a business.

 

[slotsaff]

It's a shame as they don't enforce the 5 player rule - does anyone know the reason why they keep this term?

 

[Guard Dog]

It's a shame as they don't enforce the 5 player rule - does anyone know the reason why they keep this term?

Only that it is a business decision. I am sure I could have James come in and make an official statement if you wish.

 

[Vladi]

They stand firm with these rules saying affiliates must be happy with so many awards they have won as a business.

They seriously think that affiliates care who wins awards at a back-slapping industry circle-jerk that is often sponsored by affiliate programs that run rogue casinos? Really?

I must be deluded. I would rather deal with a program that runs their business ethically and professionally and does their best to find mutually beneficial ways to help both them and their partners succeed, rather than trying to give themselves the option of screwing their partners over. That says far more about them than any plastic award ever will.

 

[slotsaff]

I agree with Vladi to an extent - bet365 are extremely open to discussion and are very transparent.

I've never heard a bad way about the way they operate - they are a model company in my opinion and hence why they are one of the biggest gaming companies in Europe.

 

[ocportal]

I absolutely agree with Vladi.

About discussion/transparency if they are as you say/believe, why don't they comply with the fair behavior rules of this forum for affiliates?

Would like to try them if they get all green lights.

I agree with Vladi to an extent - bet365 are extremely open to discussion and are very transparent.

I've never heard a bad way about the way they operate - they are a model company in my opinion and hence why they are one of the biggest gaming companies in Europe.

 

[bonustreak]

The team at 365 are all amazing people and well respected that is for sure which is why even with these bad terms in place I still take a chance myself and market them a bit on some of my sites. I hate that the terms are there but I also hope that James & his team would never use the predatory terms against me. I tried hard to get these changed, James and I talked a few times it just is something I think the higher ups will not remove.

Yes I was told surely they would have not won so many awards if affiliates were not happy with them... I also explained that there would be many more affiliates working with them if they made some sort of changes to those bad terms. I think Andy even tried to talk the team as well.

 

[Guard Dog]

My personal thought is that no matter how good the people are - if they refuse to remove this term.... it's because they feel they will use it at some point.

If you promote them (I suggest not promoting them, I will not promote ANY place with a quota), then you just have to hope that when the time comes for them to use the term (and they WILL) - that you are on the person they use it on.


**Edit: Yes, i talked extensively with them about this over the last month (even after our original predatory status). There was hope, but it was dashed as they decided to keep the term. It will be used, oh yes, it will be used Someday..

 

[inspiration]

If you promote them (I suggest not promoting them, I will not promote ANY place with a quota), then you just have to hope that when the time comes for them to use the term (and they WILL) - that you are on the person they use it on.

They WILL us it.

About promoting them : be prepared to adsorb negatives for a long long time, I have winning players each month that deposit up to XXK a month but I am still 12K in the red, not receiving a penny now since november 2011.

If you do not have quality traffic and lots of that YOU are waisting your time with bet365.

 

[bonustreak]

Yeah we are seriously considering removal now of all the links in the next few days since they will not change this term. There are many other casinos with the same software we can push just as well as 365 & not have predatory terms used against us one day.

 

[Simmo!]

You do all realise that this term is a one-off term right? Once you sent 5 players you never have to worry about it again. And fwiw, it took me way over 3 months to send my first 5 players all those years ago and it was never mentioned. It's there to stop people setting up an account to sign up a couple of friends which was a problem they had some time back. Sorry if you knew that - it's just that it's sounding like people think this is an ongoing quota.

 

[slotsaff]

I agree with Simmo, it took me a long time to get 5 players - over a year from when I opened my affiliate account. It was never mentioned and never was a problem

 

[Guard Dog]

You do all realise that this term is a one-off term right? Once you sent 5 players you never have to worry about it again. And fwiw, it took me way over 3 months to send my first 5 players all those years ago and it was never mentioned. It's there to stop people setting up an account to sign up a couple of friends which was a problem they had some time back. Sorry if you knew that - it's just that it's sounding like people think this is an ongoing quota.

Once you send 5 players....

Which means 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 high rollers is not enough. The problems is that the term is open ended and can be used to remove affiliate earnings at will. That is simply not acceptable and is considered predatory.

I don't care if they do not 'plan on using it'... or if they haven't mentioned or used it on you, personally. The fact is that is is there, there is the possibility of abuse, and they will not remove it.

And.... how do they know who your friends are? They don't, so how can they use it to 'stop people from signing up a couple of friends'?

 

[Simmo!]

And.... how do they know who your friends are? They don't, so how can they use it to 'stop people from signing up a couple of friends'?

Sorry I should have said 'stop people from only signing up a couple of friends'

I can see why some people would be put off and certainly it would make me think if it was a program I wasn't sure about. Ongoing quotas are horrible but this one didn't strike me as too bad myself and from a retention pov they have been brilliant. But I apprecaite it's each to their own.

 

[Guard Dog]

I just feel sorry for the affiliates that will get hit with this quota (initial quota or otherwise).

Everyone wants to promote a good retention casino, but if they only convert 2 of your players (and retain them well)... and those players are high rollers (let's say you got lucky).. and decide that money is better in their own pockets without commissions... it's possible to do that legally in the current terms set.

Who really cares if the affiliate converts only 4 players anyway? Why does it matter if an affiliate converts 1 player?

Casino Hosts bring high rollers (that they know) to a 'brick and mortar' casino. Do you think they would bring that player to a casino with a term like this? No. They wouldn't. It is THEIR player, not the casino's. Same as affiliates - we are bringing players they would not have had. Commissions should not be subject to quota, ever.

 

[ocportal]

I don't think someone will spend money to develop websites in order to only rely on friend signups, it is very unrealistic and purely used as excuse for such terms.

Sorry I should have said 'stop people from only signing up a couple of friends'

I can see why some people would be put off and certainly it would make me think if it was a program I wasn't sure about. Ongoing quotas are horrible but this one didn't strike me as too bad myself and from a retention pov they have been brilliant. But I apprecaite it's each to their own.

 

[liuyonghao]

it is a discrimination policy used in all east asia casino affiliates market. England Premier League's AD like "fun88.com" "mansion88.com" "bodog88.com" or "188bet.com" "12bet.com" all use at least 5 active player, otherwise, no money.

It is a pity as an affiliate in east asia where the casino company have a lot of rule to the affiliate, very difficult to get the money.

 

[Oracle]

We reserve the right to reduce Referral Commission percentages if you reduce your efforts to recruit new Customers. Your reduced or suspended promotion of our sites will be deemed to represent your termination of this Agreement.

I would like a few more specific details on what Bet365 would view as reduced efforts.