1Club Casino

[scuter]

I can't believe I just read that a casino has a $1k a month cashout limit. I mean...seriously? ???

At the risk of derailing, and in my [tenuous] defence as I was redepositing often whilst aware of the 'term', yes it is ridiculous - but so is ANY cash out limit.

We're only talking degrees of ridiculousness. Arguments regarding "fluidity" are only valid when talking specific processor limits - every single online casino in the world has NO possible justification for cashout limit of any kind if the player wishes to cashout and is happy with any of the available methods the casino offers - Wire Transfer, if all else fails.

I would quite like to hear a casino with cashout limits attempt to justify them in a public debate with me. It would be a debate they stand 0% chance of winning.

 

[Pinababy69]

Just a note for the AGD guys really, but there is another 1Club player issue "bubbling under" that may be public soon.

I can't believe I just read that a casino has a $1k a month cashout limit. I mean...seriously? ???

Thanks Muppet Man. This is part of the reason that I haven't added the info re: 1Club to the Beach Casino thread at CM. There is other stuff going on as well.

And edited to add that a large part of the reason we are here, is because casino management absolutely led Scuter to believe that those cashout limits would NOT be imposed upon him. Especially given his deposit history, and wagering history (a million dollars people) on slots. They obviously never had any intention of paying any amount other than 1K a month, contrary to Ryan's claims that this figure is relative to player class, etc.

Just bear with me Scuter...there's a method to my madness, and I haven't even had a chance to ask Bryan yet what he thinks. I want to make sure if I bring up 1Club on CM, and your issue specifically...it gets its own shiny thread for Google. I was still hoping that the casino may want to actually talk sense, instead of nonsense.

Yeah, I'm in a "glass half full" mood today, lol.

Diplomatic Scuter? Me? Okay.

Sidenote, I only mentioned Scuter's banning at CM because Dom asked about the PAB. I'd rather not get into a discussion of who is banned at CM, and why. Bryan's forum, his rules..and totally irrelevant to this thread.

 

[Pinababy69]

At the risk of derailing, and in my [tenuous] defence as I was redepositing often whilst aware of the 'term', yes it is ridiculous - but so is ANY cash out limit.

We're only talking degrees of ridiculousness. Arguments regarding "fluidity" are only valid when talking specific processor limits - every single online casino in the world has NO possible justification for cashout limit of any kind if the player wishes to cashout and is happy with any of the available methods the casino offers - Wire Transfer, if all else fails.

I would quite like to hear a casino with cashout limits attempt to justify them in a public debate with me. It would be a debate they stand 0% chance of winning.

This is part of what I hope that AGD may incorporate into the mix, when factoring in player T&C's. I really am looking forward to them launching that venture, so that we can open a dialogue, and offer a player's perspective.

But for now....1Club.

 

[Simmo!]

...yes it is ridiculous - but so is ANY cash out limit.

I can understand it for a player who hasn't been ID'ed as it is effective in reducing the risk liabilty in player fraud. But assuming a casino have done correct due diligence and identified a player - to the point at which they are satisfied enough to accept furher deposits - then I totally agree.

One of the advantages of playing a casino with a Microgaming (and probably Wagerworks) licence is that the software company insist on a sizeable reserve fund being maintained. I can only think of one MG licencee that impose weekly limits for reasons unknown. But of course, that's of no use to US players right now thanks to the 2006 'Ostrich' generation of politicians.

Bottom line is, if you give someone the opportunity to win X, then you should have X with which to pay them with.

 

[Pinababy69]

Bottom line is, if you give someone the opportunity to win X, then you should have X with which to pay them with.

Come on Simmo, surely you're talking.....I don't know, Logic (not to mention Economics) 101. ;D

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

Bottom line is, if you give someone the opportunity to win X, then you should have X with which to pay them with.

OR...bottom line...if the casino is willing to oh lets say take $30K in deposits from a player in a weeks time then they should also be ready and able to pay out the same in a weeks time if-ing that cashout button is activated..;D
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[bonustreak]

We're only talking degrees of ridiculousness. Arguments regarding "fluidity" are only valid when talking specific processor limits - every single online casino in the world has NO possible justification for cashout limit of any kind if the player wishes to cashout and is happy with any of the available methods the casino offers - Wire Transfer, if all else fails.

Really? Did you just say that? Your banners are coming down asap!

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

We're only talking degrees of ridiculousness. Arguments regarding "fluidity" are only valid when talking specific processor limits - every single online casino in the world has NO possible justification for cashout limit of any kind if the player wishes to cashout and is happy with any of the available methods the casino offers - Wire Transfer, if all else fails.

Really? Did you just say that? Your banners are coming down asap!

scuter has banners? ???

or maybe you mean 1Club?
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[bonustreak]

I mean 1Club they are off our sites as of last evening the min cashout of 1k a month is ridiculous and then there are issues brewing at Meister so that is all I need to know to say, Hellz no to our forum members. We stopped marketing this place anyway about a year ago only have a few stranded links up that are removed now.

 

[bb1webs]

Just wanted to voice my support for Scuter and note that yes, I too, will not ever be seeking to promote this bunch.

Rich Clicks, did they ever used to have anything to do with a casino, actually there were two, but one was named black widow.

If this is the same bunch then better homework should have been done because there are tons of complaints about them if you look back far enough. Its probably not the same bunch but rich clicks sure sounds familiar.

 

[lots0]

@scuter

Did you sign up with 1club through an affiliate?

If so, do you know which affiliate site and would you mind naming it here?

If you don't wish to name it in public would you be so kind as to PM the name to me... Thanks!

 

[Pinababy69]

@scuter

Did you sign up with 1club through an affiliate?

If so, do you know which affiliate site and would you mind naming it here?

If you don't wish to name it in public would you be so kind as to PM the name to me... Thanks!

Hey lots0, he thinks he knows which one, but not positive. And part of the reason that I banned him myself at OCR is because he was focusing too much on the affiliate and not enough on the casino itself.

He's welcome to tell you via PM, or discuss it with you or rant privately, or whatever...but I would rather we didn't get into a public brouhaha again.

Thanks Christine and Steve for the support. You don't know how much I appreciate those affiliates who ARE willing to call bullshit on places like this, and terms like this. Most of the time, I don't think that affiliates necessarily even know whether the T&C's for a player are good or bad. It just doesn't factor into the equation. And that is why what you are attempting to do with the player friendly site, is so important. I think if more affiliates could at least make an informed decision, maybe they would make the right one.

Quick sidenote: Scuter's puter sort of went under attack last night..and he's trying to decide if he needs to reformat or not, just to be sure it's safe. So if he's not around, or doesn't answer for a day or so...that's why.

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

Most of the time, I don't think that affiliates necessarily even know whether the T&C's for a player are good or bad. It just doesn't factor into the equation.

That's a sad sad fact!
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[scuter]

Did you sign up with 1club through an affiliate?

If so, do you know which affiliate site and would you mind naming it here?

Hi lots0, until quite recently I believed I had used a link from CasinoPlayerAdvocate - but it dawned on me only this week I think that I had sucker punched myself when I was looking at CM's list of RTG's one day way back when....and 1Club was listed as "Not Yet Reviewed" and I thought to my idiot self "no problem, I'll review them".

Which would be fine, except I'm retarded. And, until recently, I believed that a casino claiming something in their Terms actually had ~ relevance to reality. They claimed they were subject to the laws of the UK, that the Directors held First World Gaming licenses, etc transparency, audits etc, safety first sigh, which I immediately thought = LEGIT.

Looking at CM's page now, there isn't a link to 1Club "Not Yet Reviewed" so I probably just typed in the URL. I guess only 1Club, or maybe the affiliate, would know otherwise....

I could give them a Review now. If Bryan is looking for one for that page

Scuter's puter sort of went under attack last night..and he's trying to decide if he needs to reformat or not

Thx Pina. Not sure if it's related, but I was [apparently] targeted on another casino forum - I posted the screenshots of ESET / Chrome going haywire on the forum, and to date I'm apparently the only person hit with the malicious code - strange. I'm too lazy to reformat...am gambling on ESET and friends. one time

 

[Pinababy69]

I'm too lazy to reformat...am gambling on ESET and friends. one time

Gamble? You? Say it ain't so.

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

Wow, you can almost hear a pin drop in here...Andy, you up to date on this thread and the happenings going on here regarding 1Club Casino?

I still see you have them listed as a good place to promote...

I've been doing some research over the past month on 1Club and have managed to now connect Reefer Gaming Ltd., Reefer Network, Reefer Casino and Reefer Poker to them thru association. As such, ROGUE Status issued...reason why is explained in the Rogue section here....

Rogue Blacklisted Casinos List ~ Gambling Gurus | Online Casinos | USA Casinos
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[TheGamblingGuru]

UPDATE:

2WIC, I have spoken to Andy now and he is certainly not dodging this thread or its dire concerns. He has other issues that are more important and more pressing at the moment he is having to deal with (family matters). Which we all know always takes precedence over any other matter. Wish you only good things in regards to that Andy.

Just wanted to let you guys (Pina, Scuter) know, irregardless of that though, 1Club Casino is right where they should be at the present time as I posted above.
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[TheGamblingGuru]

OK guys, it's been well over a week now since this thread was started here and not one reply from "Rich Clicks" and/or their Rep here...

As soon as Andy is back in action here I would certainly hope that he kicks this programs ass to the curb and assuredly without any hesitation whatsoever...

On another note: This writing below by and within itself is not good enough!

Player-Friendly Casinos
* All Casinos within the Affiliate Program's Client group must adhere to the following guidelines: Casinos cannot be listed as Rogue on Casinomeister's ® Rogue List, located at: CM Rogue Casinos
* Casino Software cannot be listed as Rogue on Casinomeister's ® Rogue List, located at: CM Rogue Casino Software

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[scuter]

Just an update [not sure if it's desired, let alone required ] from my end:

* No response from 1Club to my refusing to pay 150 + 200 [est.] fees out of every batch of 1000 sent, no answer to my questions regarding their 'fees' for paying to NETeller, Moneybookers, EcoCard et al.

* No response from 1Club regarding my continued demands for a full play audit that includes all spins.

* No response from 1Club regarding the stolen $2000

* Account locked as per my request to close my account [when I thought closing it meant they would be forced to pay out the balance]

* To date, out of $24000 owed to me, they've paid $1930 in total. If they followed their own Terms, they should have paid $4000 by now

* Hastings found in my favour on my first complaint which = no action. I complained again and that complaint was escalated to Level 2 [?] weeks ago with no update since.

* Their Terms say they're licensed in the Seychelles Islands [but was only changed to that after I attempted a wager with Hastings that they wouldn't show in the United Kingdom - their previous Terms claimed they would, rapidly changed to Seychelles Islands after I pointed that out]. I can't find any contact for Seychelles licensing authority but apparently they are getting into that gig: New Online Gambling Licensing Jurisdiction - Seychelles

It feels redundant talking about Terms they don't even follow themselves when they steal $2000 and laugh at my attempts to procure an audit - or Terms that can be changed at any second as they recently were - to this :

I suspect my entire $22000 outstanding has been [effectively] stolen, based on the above facts.

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

BUMP!! WTF?

Someone please tell me why is Rich Clicks still listed here at AGD?

I know I must be missing somein here, so will Andy or one of the Mods please enlighten me...

Because the way I see it, if the program is still listed here then if I'm not mistaken, AGD, Andy and the rest of the Mods here still approve this program and its casino as a good one to promote to players.... correct? Or do I have that wrong?
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