Real Revenue Share Audit Report

[Guard Dog]

We have audited Casoo Partners and here are the results.

 

[Jops]

May I request a new audit of Casoo/Tsars as discussed in the Chilli partners thread. It was two years ago this audit was conducted when the program was brand new. Many of us suspect it's not what it used to be.

 

[Jops]

Maybe the Casoo rep himself wants to come forward and be given the chance to tell us how it is. Anything changed since the last audit? I'm pretty sure it has. Those audit numbers are 100% irrelevant now.

 

[AussieDave]

Those audit numbers are 100% irrelevant now.

If you feel so strongly about all this, and other program ripping affiliates off, then put your money where your mouth is and do something about it. Fact is, most affiliates don't give two rats about other affiliates, unless, they too are being shafted.

Given how this industry changes so often, and is being filled with more and more cheating crooks, "Audits", and T&C's should be reviewed at minimum once every year. That should certainly be mandated for every AGD "sponsor". However, in real-life it doesn't happen. It wont happen.

Lets take King Billy for example. AGD sponsor. Admin Fee = 35%. How is that even ethical?

Huge thread over at GPWA about it. King Billy rep's reply ended up being arrogant, and more to the point, 'talk to the hand' BS. What happens? Nothing.

At some point you just start to realise that no matter how much noise you make, in most part NOTHING is going to change. You start to see it's ALL smoke and mirrors.

APCW's catch cry is:
Fighting for trust, honesty and integrity
in the online gambling industry!

• Programs featured on the APCW/GPWA videos each week... Not all BUT a % of these are screwing affiliates. But is anything done? No...
  GPWA accepts bucket loads of sponsorship dollars. Members get shafted daily by sponsors. Is anything done? No...
• Back in 2011 a long time sponsor of GPWA (who continues to be a feature program on in the APCW JTodd videos each week) was OUT AND OUT busted, with a ton of proof, that they were not only unethically cross marketing, but were pulling all stops out to encourage EVERY new referred player to signup at their other casinos, in which case the affiliate would be paid $0;
• What does the GPWA, more so Micheal C. do about all these facts? Nothing. There was even a Private Members Vote to decide if the program should be dropped as a GPWA sponsor;
• That vote returned a deafening YES;
• What happened... Nothing. Micheal C. claimed it was only to gauge people's feelings.
• A certain long-time player forum continues to certify Video Slots. Is well aware VS is factually committing theft from affiliates, is anything done? No... However, when a program shafts them and affiliates who do not drop that program instantly, they're accused of being unethical.

Reiterating my previous statements.
I could write a book about all the cheating, thieving and outright cover-ups which are ALL sanctioned by those in this industry, who, have vested interest in ALL this BS continuing.

Conflicts of interest are riff. Accepting bribes, protecting alliances, looking the other way, sweeping shit under the carpet. Stonewalling, deflecting, turning BS in facts and facts into BS. The list of unethical and downright criminal acts, are ALL sanctions by mostly, sites who claim to be looking after either players welfare or affiliates welfare.

It's all a 3 ring circus and unfortunately, no matter how much you try to fix this shit. It mostly all goes by the wayside, because of GREED and POWER.

 

[Jops]

If you feel so strongly about all this, and other program ripping affiliates off, then put your money where your mouth is and do something about it. Fact is, most affiliates don't give two rats about other affiliates, unless, they too are being shafted.

Given how this industry changes so often, and is being filled with more and more cheating crooks, "Audits", and T&C's should be reviewed at minimum once every year. That should certainly be mandated for every AGD "sponsor". However, in real-life it doesn't happen. It wont happen.

Lets take King Billy for example. AGD sponsor. Admin Fee = 35%. How is that even ethical?

Huge thread over at GPWA about it. King Billy rep's reply ended up being arrogant, and more to the point, 'talk to the hand' BS. What happens? Nothing.

At some point you just start to realise that no matter how much noise you make, in most part NOTHING is going to change. You start to see it's ALL smoke and mirrors.

APCW's catch cry is:
Fighting for trust, honesty and integrity
in the online gambling industry!

• Programs featured on the APCW/GPWA videos each week... Not all BUT a % of these are screwing affiliates. But is anything done? No...
  GPWA accepts bucket loads of sponsorship dollars. Members get shafted daily by sponsors. Is anything done? No...
• A certain long-time player forum continues to certify Video Slots. Is well aware VS is factually committing theft from affiliates, is anything done? No... However, when a program shafts the owner, and affiliates who do not drop that program instantly, they accused of being unethical.

Reiterating my previous statements.
I could write a book about all the cheating, thieving and outright cover-ups which are ALL sanctioned by those in this industry, who, have vested interest in ALL this BS continuing.

Conflicts of interest are riff. Accepting bribes, protecting alliances, looking the other way, sweeping shit under the carpet. Stonewalling, deflecting, turning BS in facts and facts into BS. The list of unethical and downright criminal acts, are ALL sanctions by mostly, sites who claim to be looking after either players welfare or affiliates welfare.

It's all a 3 ring circus and unfortunately, no matter how much you try to fix this shit. It mostly all goes by the wayside, because of GREED and POWER.

You are directing your anger at the wrong people.

 

[AussieDave]

You are directing your anger at the wrong people.

I'm not angry at you or others if that's what your implying. However, with 22 years exp, I'm well past sugar coating SHIT. Instead, I call a spade and spade. If that flicks a trigger for you, not my problem.

If you want to make a difference, then do it... However, all I see is you moaning about the programs you promote, who are, in your mind, scamming you. I don't see a blanket effort.

Simply response... If your not part of the solution, then your part of the problem.

 

[AussieDave]

@Jops - I don't know how someone who claims to have been doing this for "years" is clueless to ALL the efforts, websites and people over the years since circa 2001 (GPWA founded by Cindy - she fought the fight too), who have busted their guts to try to make a difference, with making affiliate programs accountable.

I suppose if the programs one was promoting, wasn't shafting them sideways, then they'd have no reason to go looking for forums and such, if they we're getting screwed-over.

1'st is was the small affiliates being targeted, and food from their tables, taken. Now the larger affiliates are feeling the heat. Soon it will be the super affiliates. We're all getting screwed sideways.

Reiterating, most affiliates don't care if program-X is screwing affiliate-A, just as long as program-X is not bending them over. By the time program-X is shafting those who didn't care, it's too late, and program-X is too big. Too powerful to care. They've got all ACES, because they have ALL the referred players...

If you honestly believe Casoo is shafting you, post the proof... Or at least post data which displays the questionable discrepancies, which are fueling your demands for a fresh audit. Until that data is posted, anything anyone says or makes claim to is just hot-wind.

 

[Jops]

Seems the only one getting "triggered" here is you. I was asking for another audit and you post a whole bible on how useless we all are. Ok, great, very helpful.

I'm pretty sure Casoo has raised admin fees or something, so a new audit would be welcomed.