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[KasinoKing]

I don't believe that is my job to know if the online casinos are treating THEIR players fair or not. A Casino player it is responsible to do the homework and then decide to gamble or not to the specific casino brand.

Clearing the matter up NOT under circumstances we cover or accept or we approve Casino Brands cheating or stealing Casino players and YES we care about our casino players.

These two sentences in your last post BLATANTLY contradict each other.
That is why you are getting so much "stick" here.

It IS your job to know how the casinos treat their players.
It's like if you had a market stall selling pies you bought in from a wholesaler, and then turning around and saying "I take no responsibility for the contents of these pies - they could be Dog, Rat, or Cat - who cares as long as people buy them to put money in my pocket?"

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[Ari]

These two sentences in your last post BLATANTLY contradict each other.
That is why you are getting so much "stick" here.

It IS your job to know how the casinos treat their players.
It's like if you had a market stall selling pies you bought in from a wholesaler, and then turning around and saying "I take no responsibility for the contents of these pies - they could be Dog, Rat, or Cat - who cares as long as people buy them to put money in my pocket?"

KK

Your example it is completely wrong as if i was selling pies the market row would be as follow :

Whole seller - Me as the direct seller - client

But in the affiliates it is the opposite it goes like this :

Affiliates advertising- Online Casinos - Casino Players

Which in reality we affiliates do not have direct or indirect interaction with the casino player basically we dont know who is the player !!! And surely we dont know what is going on between the casino brand and the player!!

If you want to give a valid example is like this :

We affiliates we are like eBay which many sellers(online casinos) advertise and the question is :

If a seller fails to deliver to the buyer , is it eBay's fault ???


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[justred]

Ari, would you put a message on your home page that unfortunately once the player leaves your site they are on their own? Clearly state that you take no responsibility if a casino screws them over.

No? Thought not.

Ebay: crap example. They do retain some duty of are through dispute resolution, feedback and they can ban a seller. They have helped me on more than one occasion.

You are advocating zero duty of care. That fact that we do not know the player has nothing to do with duty of care.

 

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[pdjoe]

The guy is looking for help getting the money he has earned, whats with the beat down?

Everyone uses different casinos and not all agree with them. That doesn't mean he should not be paid.

Forums get crazier by the day.

 

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[Vladi]

The guy is looking for help getting the money he has earned, whats with the beat down?

The "beat down" is thoroughly deserved because if he shown the slightest bit of care he would have read up on the casinos he is pushing on players. He has already said he is not interested in gambling and has no clue about it. So a bit of basic research might be in order, don't you think? Then he would have known about the players who win and wait 6+ months to get their money, paid in small instalments. And all the while the casino is contacting them trying to get them to reverse and redeposit. He would have know about the time the owners flat out refused to pay a South African woman when she won a progressive jackpot of over a million rand.

If it was me I would be embarrassed to be kicking up a fuss about a payment that is a few weeks late compared to the players I referred who withdrew months ago and still haven't been paid. Every one of those players should be paid first before the affiliate. But obviously if the casino did that they would quickly run out of naive and/or dodgy affiliates.

And instead of showing a bit of humility this clown demonstrates that his attitude completely stinks. He is happy to push any casino on players so long as they pay him and could not care less how they treat the very players he refers to them. Unfortunately this industry has way too many people like Ari and it is one of the reasons why crooked casinos, dodgy affiliates, and criminal hackers are able to flourish. It is clowns and grifters like this that give the rest of us that try to do the right thing and give players some sound advice a bad name by association.

As I said before Ari, now you know how this crooked program that you are working with treats the same players that you happily refer to them for a bit of coin without a care in the world. The more you spin your ridiculous excuses the more I am happy that these guys are making you wait for your money. So keep it up, cry me a river. Karma is a bitch, isn't it?

 

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[Guard Dog]

I completely agree with PDJoe. There are people on this forum that are starting to become complete assholes. I am not going to tolerate it much longer. We are either going to be helpful to other affiliates (even if we disagree with them) or I will either bulk-ban a bunch of people or shut AGD down completely. Over the last few weeks I have been getting VERY irritated with comments and 'beat downs'. People are starting to act like children who have no consequences.

 

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[Vladi]

Here you go

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61661 - read about the slow pays, also its on the blacklist for the progressive jackpot instalment policy
http://www.casinolistings.com/casinos/grand-reef-casino-review - look at all the complaints in the comments
http://www.askgamblers.com/online-casinos/grand-reef-casino-casino-review/complaints - oh my look at all the complaints

Enough said.

 

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[Vladi]

If going into bat for players against crooked casinos and affiliates who care for nothing except themselves is criteria for being an "asshole" then fine, guilty as charged and I would not want it any other way.

 

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[Guard Dog]

Had nothing to do with your ideals. I appreciate those. Read over this thread and it is easy to see that instead of suggestions, it is simply bashing.

 

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[justred]

I apologise if I added fuel to the fire. pdjoe is quite right. There are programs that are highly rated by some affiliates that I think are total shitbuckets and visa versa.

There seems to be 3 issues here:

1. A guy trying to get his money. Something which I empathise with. We are all in that position all too often. But it seems to be with a program that has had payout issues to its players in the past. It seems to be well documented. But the affy manager is here so I hope it gets resolved. Shane is one of the very few aff managers that I rate as a really straight up good guy so I am sure he will do whatever he can.
2. The fact that the actual casino has question marks over its policies - a debate for that casinos forum I assume?
3. A philosophical difference as to what our role as affiliate entails wrt duty of care. This has always been a tough one.

Andy you are right jumping in mate.

Whenever someone does not get paid we should all do what we can to help because before long it will be one of us.

Your forum is extremely useful but by its nature there will be heated debate but you are right we should be more civil.

 

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[Guard Dog]

Now that was a great post I will followup with a general forum post here shortly. Thanks bud.

 

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[Ari]

Ari, would you put a message on your home page that unfortunately once the player leaves your site they are on their own? Clearly state that you take no responsibility if a casino screws them over.

No? Thought not.

Ebay: crap example. They do retain some duty of are through dispute resolution, feedback and they can ban a seller. They have helped me on more than one occasion.

You are advocating zero duty of care. That fact that we do not know the player has nothing to do with duty of care.

JustRed,

You are soo wrong.

Worldtopcasinos.com it is an online gambling magazine in fact it is one of the largest online gambling magazines. On our online gambling magazine we have full sections that we educate our casino players , sections such as "Gaming Academy".

As REALLY Professionals we also have well written Terms and Conditions which if you had the kindest to read it you would definitely noticed the following :

"By proceeding you agree, that the materials on The Website are provided “as is”. RICH Intermedia Services Limited make no warranties, expressed or implied, and hereby disclaims and negates all other warranties, including without limitation, implied warranties or conditions of merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose, or non-infringement of intellectual property or other violation of rights. Further, RICH Intermedia Services Limited does not warrant or make any representations concerning the accuracy, likely results, or reliability of the use of the materials on its Internet web site or otherwise relating to such materials or on any sites linked to this site."

As you can understand we clearly sate that we do not guarantee the accuracy of Any content of our Magazine.

Unfortunately some people in this forum do not care of the other opinion neither investigate or read what others are saying, but they just want to make points that do not match or not valid for the occasion.

 

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[Ari]

The "beat down" is thoroughly deserved because if he shown the slightest bit of care he would have read up on the casinos he is pushing on players. He has already said he is not interested in gambling and has no clue about it. So a bit of basic research might be in order, don't you think? Then he would have known about the players who win and wait 6+ months to get their money, paid in small instalments. And all the while the casino is contacting them trying to get them to reverse and redeposit. He would have know about the time the owners flat out refused to pay a South African woman when she won a progressive jackpot of over a million rand.

If it was me I would be embarrassed to be kicking up a fuss about a payment that is a few weeks late compared to the players I referred who withdrew months ago and still haven't been paid. Every one of those players should be paid first before the affiliate. But obviously if the casino did that they would quickly run out of naive and/or dodgy affiliates.

And instead of showing a bit of humility this clown demonstrates that his attitude completely stinks. He is happy to push any casino on players so long as they pay him and could not care less how they treat the very players he refers to them. Unfortunately this industry has way too many people like Ari and it is one of the reasons why crooked casinos, dodgy affiliates, and criminal hackers are able to flourish. It is clowns and grifters like this that give the rest of us that try to do the right thing and give players some sound advice a bad name by association.

As I said before Ari, now you know how this crooked program that you are working with treats the same players that you happily refer to them for a bit of coin without a care in the world. The more you spin your ridiculous excuses the more I am happy that these guys are making you wait for your money. So keep it up, cry me a river. Karma is a bitch, isn't it?

Dear Vladi,

First of all you calling me a clown or a grifter with out even knowing me just shows the low level and low quality of a person that you are.
In this forum i came for help as an affiliate and if you just wanted to REALLY contribute to this forum you could at least see what am writing!
The reason of why i have asked for help it is because we didnt got paid since November 2014! So if you know how to count this is 4 months plus and NOT few weeks as you are referring .

Worldtopcasinos.com it is a member and managed by Rich InterMedia Services , a fully operational company with 15 professionals working for the company dedicated to our online gambling magazine website, these people are content writers , gambling experts , lawyers , graphic designers , developers and much more. These people have more knowledge and more experience that you will ever manage to get even in 10 life , so clearly your opinion in the way that you are stating it it just doesn't count.

And since you are pretending to be an "expert" in the field , the question is do you know who were the affiliate managers of Commission365 ? well let me tell you : Rich De Wall ( a legend in the online gambling industry) , then Marlo Campher a fantastic man and honest character , then Lawrence huge experience and honest great guy and now is Shane again with a huge background in the industry.

So the answer is that we are working with people - remarkable people that out stand in the industry!!

Now if commission365 has some clouds above them , this is something different and we can chat about it in a different topic!

Finally Vladi please man get a grip the only one that is insulting people here is you and it is not fair specially for people that you don't know!
Learn to respect your fellow affiliates , this is a forum primary for affiliates and not for casino players.

 

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[Guard Dog]

This thread is now closed. I see no professionalism from anyone here.

 

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