BetVictor Affiliates Marked Predatory

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    Guard Dog

    Guard Dog Guard Dog Staff Member

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    Due to the terms listed in RED, BetVictor Affiliates have been marked as predatory:

    Dated:2012-01-17 - Affiliate Account Sale/Death Of Affiliate
    Opening an affiliate account for a third party, brokering an affiliate account or the transfer of an affiliate account is not accepted. If the Affiliate wishes to transfer an account to another beneficial account owner it must first request permission to do so by contacting BetVictor. Approval is solely at BetVictor%u2019s absolute discretion. Members of the BetVictor Affiliate program must adhere to BetVictor Affiliates single account policy. The Affiliate shall not endorse BetVictor%u2019s betting business (except by communication of promotional material approved by BetVictor); nor make any claim that BetVictor%u2019s betting business or any of its promotions have been arranged for the benefit of the Affiliate%u2019s customers or users of its website.

    Dated:2012-01-17 - Casino Commissions - Revenue Share
    Superb introductory rate of 30%

    Dated:2012-01-17 - Chargeback Policy
    BetVictor retains the right to withhold commission payments or a portion thereof if it considers profits earned at are a risk of chargeback. Any amounts withheld will only be paid once a period of six months has elapsed.

    Dated:2012-01-17 - Commissions - Minimum Payment
    The minimum payment for Moneybookers, Neteller and credits to a BetVictor player account is set at 50GBP. For UK and International Bank Transfer the minimum payment is set at 500GBP.

    Dated:2012-01-17 - Commissions - Negative Carryover
    No negative carryover On Poker, Casino and Games - we will cover those losses each month

    Dated:2012-01-17 - Commissions - Payment Date
    BetVictor will make every effort to ensure that payments are processed before the 15th of every month; however no guarantees are made in respect of date of receipt and/or delays arising from unforeseen circumstances, including but not limited to - technical problems, staff levels and incorrect or incomplete payment information.

    Dated:2012-01-17 - Definition - Activity/Dormancy
    3.4 Continued Promotion

    The Affiliate shall incorporate and prominently and continually display the most up-to-date links provided by BetVictor somewhere on their website, and the Affiliate shall not alter the form, location or operation of the links without BetVictor%u2019s prior consent. The Affiliate is eligible for Referral Commissions based upon its continued promotion of BetVictor. BetVictor reserves the right to terminate Referral Commission if the Affiliate ceases to promote the BetVictor brand. The Affiliate%u2019s reduced or suspended promotion of BetVictor%u2019s sites will be deemed to represent the Affiliate%u2019s termination of this Agreement.

    3.5 Inactive Accounts

    BetVictor reserves the right to withhold commission and close any affiliate account deemed to be inactive for a period of 3 months or more. Decisions on inactivity are made at the discretion of the BetVictor Affiliates team but will be influenced by last login date, number of clicks, impressions and referrals.

    Dated:2012-01-17 - Marketing - Competitive Marketing
    The Affiliate must not violate the terms of use and any applicable policies of any search engines.

    Dated:2012-01-17 - Marketing - Websites/Domains
    The Affiliate must not use any means to promote sites which resemble in any way the look and/or feel of the BetVictor Site/s whether in whole or in part, nor utilise any such means or site to create the impression that such sites are the Site (or any part of the Site).

    Dated:2012-01-17 - Marketing Rules
    2.4 Registering of Domain Names

    The Affiliate shall not register (or apply to register) any domain name similar to any domain name used by or registered in the name of any member of BetVictor%u2019s group, or any other name that could be understood to designate BetVictor or any member of BetVictor%u2019s group. This would include misspellings of any BetVictor brand or domain.

    2.5 Bidding on Brand Terms

    The Affiliate may not purchase or register keywords, search terms or other identifiers for use in any search engine, portal, sponsored advertising service or other search or referral service without the direct authorisation from BetVictor and strict adherence to BetVictor%u2019s Pay Per Click (PPC) and Search Engine Optimisation (SEO) policy, likewise the affiliate may not use trade marks, URL%u2019s or variations thereof for use in HTML coding (including but not limited to %u2018meta tags%u2019, %u2018meta descriptions%u2019, %u2018meta content%u2019, %u2018page titles%u2019, %u2018titles%u2019).

    Dated:2012-01-17 - Minimum Player Rule
    2.16 Continued Promotion

    BetVictor reserve the right to adjust affiliate commissions and/or close accounts that are not continually and actively promoting BetVictor.

    BetVictor also reserves the right to close affiliates accounts and withhold initial commissions pertaining to affiliates that have not referred a minimum of one depositing player per calendar month; and/or accounts that are only linked to a single active player.

    Dated:2012-01-17 - Rakeback Rules
    The Affiliate must not offer any so-called "rake-back" schemes or similar which offers or allows a proportion of the player's poker rake to be returned to the player in any form.

    Dated:2012-01-17 - Social Media Marketing
    The Affiliate shall not post messages regarding BetVictor and any of its URL%u2019s to any newsgroups, chat rooms and/or bulletin boards.

    Dated:2012-01-17 - Spam
    BetVictor may terminate this Agreement forthwith on notice without recourse to the Affiliate if there is any form of spamming or if the Affiliate advertises BetVictor%u2019s services in any way that may have a detrimental effect on the image, reputation or integrity of BetVictor. The Affiliate shall not make any claims or representations, or give any warranties, in connection with BetVictor and the Affiliate shall have no authority to, and shall not, bind BetVictor to any obligations. The Affiliate confirms that any mailing list in his/her possession has been compiled in accordance with all applicable rules, legislation and regulations and has all the necessary authority to make such communications.

    Dated:2012-01-17 - Termination
    5.1 Term and Termination

    a. This Agreement shall remain in force from the date of this Agreement for an initial fixed term of one year and shall continue thereafter unless and until terminated on 30 days written notice by one party to the other or otherwise as terminated below. For purposes of notification of termination, delivery via e-mail is considered a written and immediate form of notification.
    b. Either party may terminate this Agreement by notice in writing with immediate effect if the other party is in material breach of any of the terms of this Agreement and such breach, where it is remediable, remains unremedied fourteen days after receipt of notice from the terminating party that the other party is in breach.
    c. Either party shall have the right to terminate this Agreement with immediate effect on notice in writing if liquidation or similar proceedings relating to insolvency are filed or initiated by or against the other party.
    d. After termination, BetVictor shall pay to the Affiliate commission subject to the terms of this Agreement on bets and accounts placed prior to the date of termination but no further commission shall be payable.
    5.2 Consequence

    Upon termination the Affiliate must immediately discontinue or disable the link to BetVictor%u2019s sites, remove the link and all of BetVictor%u2019s banners/icons and Marks from the Affiliate%u2019s site. All rights and licenses given to the Affiliate in this Agreement shall immediately terminate. The Affiliate will immediately return to BetVictor any confidential information, including without limitation copies of materials from BetVictor%u2019s sites in the Affiliate%u2019s possession, custody or control and will cease all uses of BetVictor%u2019s Marks.



    Terms URL: http://www.victorsaffiliates.com/en-gb/terms-one.htm
     
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    KasinoKing

    KasinoKing Player turned affiliate. Staff Member

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    Good!

    They closed my affy account without warning in October due to their "minimum quota" rule, despite having regular activity every month.
    Affiliates should seriously consider if they want they risk of the same happening to them...

    KK
     
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    GFPC

    GFPC BWIN IS ROGUE

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    Well done AGD!! We do not need arrogant programs like this who think they are "shot callers"
     
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    Insider

    Insider Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Bad Victor

    Unfortunately i must also admit that i was wrong thinking they are okay.

    They wanted to get more traffic on the german market because they are still not much known here. They want to get more exposure and we tried to promote them.

    But you all know that this needs time. Now the bad rule has also taken on me, without a warning that account will close. They say that is fact and the rules.

    This kind of way i take the occasion to delete all campaigns and banne them from our sites.

    It makes no sence for those companies to have this rules, because they only annoy their partners and the consequences will be what we do now. We kick them out.

    They should rename in BadVictor :emoticon-0174-bandi
     
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    richierich00

    richierich00 New Member

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    Im not sure whether I trust them. I have made over 20 referrals and don't make any revenue from them. They do state you will receive a 30% lifetime revenue but I only seem to make commission on sign ups. Anyone else have this problem?
     
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    AussieDave

    AussieDave 18 years & still going!

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    The only sense it seems to make is, these companies use these terms to screw their partners. If a burgler breaks into my home and I catch them, I call the police. If a program partner also tries to rob me, I kick them out :)
     
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    KasinoKing

    KasinoKing Player turned affiliate. Staff Member

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    Make no mistake - you are playing with fire.

    Bet Victor are the only program to dump ME!
    I had regular income from them at the time - the only reason they gave me the boot was I didn't bring in their quota of NEW depositors.

    My advice is get out of there before you get seriously burned.

    KK
     
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    Insider

    Insider Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    I totally agree with KK

    If you have the feeling you can't trust a program, better kick them out. Their terms are more as critical. This isn't really a partnership where you can build on.

    Other guys would say they will steal the comission of your players, if they make your account closure or set inactive due to their questionable terms.

    They can change their terms or not, for us it will never give a come back, because once trying kidding their partners, they will try always again through other ways.
     
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    tryme1

    tryme1 Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Well, I'm promoting them at the moment and do OK, but I'm cautious about how much exposure I give them judging by the terms listed here.
     
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    Insider

    Insider Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    We thought the same that all is okay and were terribly disappointed, one time from manager and also from upper mangement, where are responsible and decide to apply this crappy rules if you active promote.

    Hope, that you guys have much more luck, but your are aware of.
     
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    Casinogamer.co.uk

    Casinogamer.co.uk Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Avoid BetVictor they dumped use for the same reasons you guys have listed above.

    It's usually a sign of a company in financial difficulty.
     
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    CygX1

    CygX1 Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Thanks a lot for the input on them. I was considering to give Victor a try as they are a well established casino brand but these posts about their affiliate side of business are enough to keep me away.
     
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    CygX1

    CygX1 Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    I just also found this term in their general casino t&c (xxx.betvictor.com/sports/en/content/terms-and-conditions):

    What happened in my case is that they close the customer account due to inactivity and requested a new one to be opened... A perfect method to get rid of any affiliate.
     
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    HRSC

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    Can't say how much I agree with this.

    I've been marketing BetVictor for over ten years but have recently had two accounts closed for "inactivity" - the accounts were actually quite active and commission was being earned monthly and I was sending them traffic every month... what's a guy to do if they can't convert it?

    There are a few things which now really strike me with BetVictor.

    1) The £500 minimum affiliate payout - quite difficult to achieve in itself and while you're trying to get that kind of commission...

    2) If you don't send them sufficient converting customers, they can close your account meaning that there may well be some commissions due but not enough for you to be paid out.

    3) As a bookmaker, BetVictor don't really have that many great offers. There's certainly nothing to distinguish them from the 101 other bookies out there and their current £25 free bet offering is quite standard, too which makes it doubly difficult to achieve the recruitment requirement.

    In summary, they do seem to be setting their affiliates out to fail from the start and I'd have to agree that there does seem to be some short-termism about it at this stage. In financial difficulty?
     
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    KasinoKing

    KasinoKing Player turned affiliate. Staff Member

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    I don't think it's anything to do with funding, more that they simply do not value their affiliates - in both senses of the word.
    They are also focused on the betting side of things, and don't value their casinos anywhere near as much.
    It's the same with most of the "big name" bookies, like Ladbrokes, Will Hills and Bet365.

    KK
     
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    peterhanneman

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    Oh, and i started promote them 2 months ago, i hope to convert well my traffic, but i'm so disappointed when read these posts :(
     
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    alin04

    alin04 Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    I will stop promoting BetVictor right now.
     
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    steve99

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    Closed my account without warning yet still send me emails asking to push them even contacted me on skype for a chat. Bunch of jokers - blatant theft that kind of behaviour. Spreading the word too and just lost them a spot on a very prominent site. Well done Betvictor you thieves!
     
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    doolally

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    You do have to wonder where they get some of their business ideas. Crap terms = less affiliate driven players = more for their competitors.
     
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    Moonlight Cat

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    Right descision
     

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