Rivalwide Progressive Issue - Rogue Poll.

Should AGD Rogue 400 Affiliates?

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 66.7%
  • No

    Votes: 6 22.2%
  • I have no opinion

    Votes: 3 11.1%

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NDN

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And you'll make the mistake to relieve the pressure instead of pushing them to the limit. Killing Rival or getting it to the point where it almost breaks apart is the key to resolve the GP issue and prevent such cases in the future.

This post makes very little sense to me. I do not feel as though I am making any mistakes in how I am handling this situation as a single affiliate.

"Killing Rival" is not the solution. Rival stepped up to fill a large void in this industry when other companies left the U.S. and up until now they have done a fantastic job. I absolutely love Rival and if they can get these issues corrected quickly then I will gladly promote them again in the future.
 

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Nitro - I understand that you have your own theories on how to solve this issue, but please post more clearly and keep this 'on topic'.

This thread is not (and should never be) about the GP issue.
 

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Nitro - I understand that you have your own theories on how to solve this issue, but please post more clearly and keep this 'on topic'.

This thread is not (and should never be) about the GP issue.

You have no clue about the mechanics of power dear guard dog.
 

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You have no clue about the mechanics of power dear guard dog.

If you wish to insult me on my own board, please do so in another thread about this specific topic.

Thank you.
 

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I like wagering models. Especially slots are nice on wagering.
 

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Rival stepped up to fill a large void in this industry when other companies left the U.S. and up until now they have done a fantastic job.

It's better to have 5-6 casinos that work like 3dice than 150 or so rivals with a new one added every week. They have done a fantastic job scaring off US customers - the affiliates are already paying for it and will pay even more if the rivals contine.

I absolutely love Rival and if they can get these issues corrected quickly then I will gladly promote them again in the future.

But will Rival love affiliates after the recent incidents? That's what you forgot about...
 

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It's better to have 5-6 casinos that work like 3dice than 150 or so rivals with a new one added every week. They have done a fantastic job scaring off US customers - the affiliates are already paying for it and will pay even more if the rivals contine.



But will Rival love affiliates after the recent incidents? That's what you forgot about...

Great points and a good post IMO Nitro!
But please don't insult our host, Andy here...Thanks. :cool:
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It's better to have 5-6 casinos that work like 3dice than 150 or so rivals with a new one added every week. They have done a fantastic job scaring off US customers - the affiliates are already paying for it and will pay even more if the rivals contine.



But will Rival love affiliates after the recent incidents? That's what you forgot about...

Rival has between 20-30 brands (nowhere near 150) and as an affiliate I am grateful to have more than 5-6 choices to choose from when deciding who to promote.

They have done a fantastic job converting U.S. traffic and they have been a reliable group since day one (a rarity in this industry).

You're entitled to your own opinions and I respect that. Please do the same for me.
 

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Rival has between 20-30 brands (nowhere near 150) and as an affiliate I am grateful to have more than 5-6 choices to choose from when deciding who to promote.

What i tried to say that quality is far more important than quantity. And Rival is all about quantity.

They have done a fantastic job converting U.S. traffic and they have been a reliable group since day one (a rarity in this industry).

They have the lowest conversion rates in the industry and have spoiled the US gamblers with their ND bonuses; The vast majority of people just takes the bonus and runs and is programmed that since ND bonuses seems to be everywhere there is no need to deposit. You are probably not aware how much traffic you have already missed just because of this stupid bonus policy.

As far as their reliabality goes they have lower weekly withdrawal limits than a slot machine in your local pub, one of the worst bonus programs around which causes mainly a lot of hassle to the majority of people, a centralized good for nothing customer service, usually quite long > 5 days withdrawal times - just to name a few! - and as cream of the crop some of them don't let you deposit the amount you want if you don't take a bonus(read: deposit penalty) because this is a good way to keep a deposit and run a rip off operation and not a casino.

As said the interesting thing here is not the traffic that you've got but the one that you've missed.

You're entitled to your own opinions and I respect that. Please do the same for me.

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Well this is awesome news! ---------


Hi Everyone,

I have some news for you regarding the progressive affiliate deductions.

First of all I want to thank all of your for your patience in this matter. I know it's a heated topic on the forums and a subject of much debate (and understandably so).

Until this point we have been waiting for Rival to make a decision as to how past progressive deductions (Pre-March 2010 ) would be handled. This change was to be Rival white label - wide and was going to be based on whatever the majority of white labels agreed on.

This morning we received an email from Rival stating that "After careful consideration, it has been decided that a unified response is not required in this specific event. Each operator can decide how they want to refund affiliates as they see fit."

Because of this, we at Jet Set Marketing have decided to refund all progressive deductions from March 01, 2009 to Feb 28th, 2010 for both Paradise8 and Cocoa Casino. We feel that because affiliates were unaware that these deductions were taking place, this option is the most fair to all of you. This solution is what we have been pushing for since discussions started but until now the decision was not ours to make, nor to announce.

We still have not been notified as to how the progressive system will function from March forward as far as affiliates are concerned, but we are anticipating a positive solution that we can all be happy with.

Again, thank you for your patience in this matter and I hope to be writing to you soon with more good news.

Sincerely,

Jason W,
Jet Set Marketing,
Paradise 8 | Cocoa Casino
 

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Conversions, of course, depend on your visitor demographics, the way your site looks and feels, the search terms visitors use to find your site etc.

For me, Rival has given me the best conversions by far over the past year. In fact, my best Rival casinos give me a four-fold better conversion rate than my best RTG does. I know for others that isn't the case, but that's the way it's turned out for me

In my opinion, the fewer companies there are in the US market, the more dangerous it becomes for affiliates. If choice is severely restricted, then the casinos have you over a barrel.

There is no doubt in my mind that if there was only one single US facing casino out there to promote, they would be tempted to offer only very low rev share, they would be taking progressives contributions, enforcing negative carryover and possibly applying minimum sign-up terms too

Having plenty of casinos and softwares we can choose from is very important, imo. That is why I am hoping Rival step up to the plate and allow the AMs to give affiliates the progressives money back. I think most good AMs want to do exactly that

So, I am now waiting to see what happens.

I'm optimistic that the best AMs out there will be doing the right thing and refunding these progressive contributions
 

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Just saw your post, Belgamo - great stuff!
 

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That's great news from the 400 Group! Thanks Jason and thanks Belgamo for posting.

March and forward are my concerns along with how affiliates are responsible for processor confiscations as well. Those are the only remaining issues, but it sounds like it may be a positive outcome afterall.

I just hope the affiliate programs are not getting shafted by Rival and having to cover ALL costs. Rival should be covering some of this stuff, IMO. Especially the processor issue - which is THEIR problem.
 

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and as if my magic, more news...


Dear Affiliates,

After weeks of discussions with Rival and other white labels in the network, it’s been agreed that each program can decide which action to take when it comes to previously deducted progressive contributions. After studying the situation, and concluding that this was a retroactive change in affiliate contracts, Superior Share will be returning all previous deductions of progressive contributions. We will credit back all past affiliate progressive contributions from February 2009 until March 2010. A more detailed timeline for this is forthcoming.

We are still working on the final details of the progressive system going forward. We have discussed this with many of you, we’ve taken your feedback, and we’re working closely with Rival to come up with a system that will benefit both parties, you as our partner, and our operation as well.

We will be giving you further information regarding the contributions reimbursement schedule and full details on the new system as soon as they become available.

Master Card Issue:

For all of you who were affected by the MasterCard issue, we are extending to you a 10% EXTRA Commission on ALL your new signups during the months of April, May and June of the current year. We encourage you to upgrade your marketing campaigns, so you can better take advantage of this unique incentive. Along with further notices this month, we will be releasing our newest marketing materials and exclusive promotions, so you can better design your campaigns.

Once again, we appreciate your feedback and understanding on these matters. It hasn’t been easy but we know that a serious consideration of the current problems, together with the feedback of our valuable partners, will bring favorable solutions for all.

Thank you and we’ll be in touch very soon.

With best regards,

Paul Art

Affiliate Director
Superior Share Affiliate Program
 
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There is no doubt in my mind that if there was only one single US facing casino out there to promote, they would be tempted to offer only very low rev share, they would be taking progressives contributions, enforcing negative carryover and possibly applying minimum sign-up terms too

We see those now. The impression I get is:
I don't see how programs can continue to sustain paying a 30%+ commission without mitigating costs some how (especially with this new economy and the recent mc problems) unless they incorporate some cost cutting measures like nco, bundling, progressive contribs, wagering, minimums or a sub-set thereof. Notice its the programs that have nco or a wagering model that can afford to open new casinos with few exceptions.

But then it's only an observation and I really am clueless as to what goes on behind the scenes.
 

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We see those now.

Yes, we see those now, but we don't see ALL the programs doing it.

I think it's healthy to have a choice

For example, CWC enforce negative carry-over. They have some great casinos, but if we want we can choose to promote c-planet, or Winpalace, or any number of other groups that don't enforce it

Competition means choice, imo
 
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In my opinion, the fewer companies there are in the US market, the more dangerous it becomes for affiliates. If choice is severely restricted, then the casinos have you over a barrel.

In my opinion the less gamblers are scared off by a joke operation like rival the more money will flow towards the affiliates. If choice is severely restricted to companies like 3dice or 32red you can be assured that you'll get a fair treatment and not get screwed over constantly and therefore there is no need to consider similar measures that are applied right now to outfits a la rival.
 

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March and forward are my concerns along with how affiliates are responsible for processor confiscations as well. Those are the only remaining issues, but it sounds like it may be a positive outcome afterall.

It will be a positive outcome but you have to watch out for the rival guard dogs and consider them your enemy.
 

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If choice is severely restricted to companies like 3dice or 32red you can be assured that you'll get a fair treatment and not get screwed over constantly and therefore there is no need to consider similar measures that are applied right now to outfits a la rival.


- 32red does not accept US players

- 3dice doesn't seem to be taking on new affiliates

Not much good for those of us that promote to the US market and haven't been invited to be part of the 3dice program :(

I know what you mean, though, they are both excellent programs, if you lucky enough to be able to promote them to your visitors
 
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