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[WCD Admin]

I'm noticing doorway pages like crazy now - working. With their final destination having PR5 and their shallow pages having PR3, etc... and exact domain matches. All practices google said they fixed are working as good as ever.

 

[WCD Admin]

On the positive side of things, I saw a site I abandoned long ago - shallow, empty and not worth a damn, #1 on a decent term. - its actually going up .... sitting at #3 for years, now its #1....

 

[Guard Dog]

On the positive side of things, I saw a site I abandoned long ago - shallow, empty and not worth a damn, #1 on a decent term. - its actually going up .... sitting at #3 for years, now its #1....

And this type of stuff is why nobody will ever truly understand what Google is thinking

 

[inspiration]

the problem is bigger than you might think : BH affiliates hire people from the Philippines and Malaysia to copy our content and put it on free hosting sites along with their "ads".
those affiliates who are doing this are :

nodepositcasino.net
casinolistings.com
securecasinogambling.com
latestcasinobonuses.com (Yes LCB also !)

WCD : you should reconsider giving CL a link on your site !

/rant

 

[pinkytoe]

Wild accusations! Any backup/proof?

 

[muffincrumbs]

The proff is inside of the pudding, err dollar signs. This is easily solved. Simply bride the Malaysian into talking. I bet BH people can be bought cheaper than hiring them to practice BS. I'll have a look around and see if I can get someone with proff to talk.

 

[frankcolt]

Gotta love this guy - hacks into sites, adds pages - gets spots #1, 2, 3 , 4 ect
eg - http:// themusicgardenptc.com / ?p=3439

 

[inspiration]

Wild accusations! Any backup/proof?

yes I have proof :

http: // webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KeYbnO5oTWkJ:wordfivew.url.ph/8366-microgaming-online-casinos-laws.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

100% copy of my content, removed by the hosting co.

 

[pinkytoe]

You accused the owners of the following sites of engaging in content theft and possibly hacking sites.

nodepositcasino.net
casinolistings.com
securecasinogambling.com
latestcasinobonuses.com (Yes LCB also !)

I asked for proof that it is them. That is a wild accusation with out any evidence. Maybe they are - but I would not be making comments like that lightly and certainly not without strong evidence to support it.

Im not sure what proof you have shown me inspiration, but it looks like a cache of a site that scraped your content. Hardly proof that top tier affiliates are responsible?

 

[Online18Casino]

I would also like to know how you came to this conclusion about the above mentioned affiliates?

 

[inspiration]

I asked for proof that it is them. That is a wild accusation with out any evidence. Maybe they are - but I would not be making comments like that lightly and certainly not without strong evidence to support it.

Im not sure what proof you have shown me inspiration, but it looks like a cache of a site that scraped your content. Hardly proof that top tier affiliates are responsible?

So tell me what are these :

http: // beerhotc.url.ph/72428-online-games-casino-morongo.html
http: // runsune.url.ph/horseshoe-casino-bossier-gymnastics/
http: // tinbagq.hints.me/online-casino-games-new-zealand.html

and 1000s more of this so called innocent "ads" on pages with stolen content !

They buy PPC traffic in any way possible they must have the budget to keep this circle of theft going.

more info about this :

http: // www . gpwa.org/forum/hacked-affiliate-sites-186890/p3.html

 

[AussieDave]

yes I have proof :

http: // webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KeYbnO5oTWkJ:wordfivew.url.ph/8366-microgaming-online-casinos-laws.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

100% copy of my content, removed by the hosting co.

Good to see hosting company acted on this and deleted the account. Though as it was a free hosting account, I doubt they'd not remove it.

This problem however becomes painfully boisterous , if not an entire waste of time, when it's paid hosting or worse, the site's on a VPS or dedicated server. Albeit that service in the USA then you can submit a DMCA take down order. However, as I've experienced not that long ago, countries outside the USA make it a bitch to get stuff down, that's especially true for Australia. If I wasn't able to call some favours in from AM's, the hosting company would only take my stolen copyright content down with a court order. They're not cheap and these theiving scum now that. That's what makes these things even worse. The copyright holder isn't even protected when it's a clear case of content theft.

 

[Vladi]

inspiration, when you buy ppc ads you don't always know or have control over where your ads appear. I looked at those three sites you listed and not a single one of them had a link to or an ad for any of those affiliate sites you listed. I see ads for fxdeliver.com, royalvegascasino.com, 365pokies.com, free-cash-bonus.com and a few others and they are no doubt geo-targeted so you probably see different sites.

Every ppc network I have ever tried is very lax and could not care less who signs up and hosts their ads until someone complains about them and they have to cut off the fraudulent traffic that was previously making them money. So it is easy for someone with no creativity or ethics to create a bunch of sites filled with scraped content and run ppc ads on them to make a little money. I would have thought it was a pretty dumb thing to do though, as the value of the traffic would probably be far higher in terms of affiliate revenue. But anyway, the point is I don't see how you can blame the people buying the ads for the sites on which they appear.

Or am I misunderstanding and you are saying those affiliates are deliberately stealing content and running ads on the sites which costs them money instead of linking directly which would cost nothing, at the same time linking to some of their competitors? Because if that is what you are saying then that is ridiculous and makes no sense.

 

[falseadoom]

For 1 keyword in the top 100 results more than 1/3 of the results are hacked sites.

http: // holz-werkstatt.com/no-deposit-online-casinos/
http: // waterfordoneworldcentre.com/no-deposit-online-casinos/
http: // www. bfa-ppp.ch/no-deposit-casinos-online/
http: // www. ncl-deutschland.de/no-deposit-online-casinos/
http: // www. gamlitz.eu/no-deposit-online-casinos/
http: // www. joglland.at/no-deposit-casinos-online/
http: // www. ehrenhausen.at/no-deposit-casinos-online/
http: // www. farbe.de/no-deposit-online-casinos/
http: // www. santamonica.edu.mx/?p=no-deposit-casino
http: // www. velve.lv/?p=no-deposit-casino-bonus
http: // atmcmauritius.org/?p=mobile-casino
http: // bestbrasov.ro/?p=no-deposit-bonus-casino
http: // europaws.org/?p=no-deposit-casino-bonus
http: // www. adamprosser.com/?p=no-deposit-casino
http: // egistatyba.lt/?p=no-deposit-casino
http: // www. brandweekistanbul.com/?p=no-deposit-casino
http: // atascocitabasketball.com/?p=usa-casino-online
http: // navarronoticias.com/tv/?p=no-deposit-casino-bonus
http: // www. aulavirtualpoderjudicial.com/?p=online-casinos-uk
http: // www. froschblog.de/no-deposit-casinos-online/
http: // uscenter.se/?p=no-deposit-casino
http: // www. cmw-kw.org/?p=mobile-casinos
http: // www. atbars.com/?p=no-deposit-bonus
http: // dmlgroup.in/newest/?p=playtech-casinos
http: // www. markenmuseum.de/no-deposit-online-casinos/
http: // hoteisnobre.com.br/lessahotel/?p=no-deposit-bonus-casino
http: // www. infos-bordeaux.fr/?p=online-casino-no-deposit-bonus
http: // dgsf.edu.ng/summerschool/?p=no-deposit-bonus
http: // www. non-solo-pane-kiel.de/?p=no-deposit-casino-bonus
http: // www. farmaci-fc.it/no-deposit-online-casinos/
http: // www. biopeople.dk/no-deposit-casinos-online/
http: // www. uniaoplanetaria.org.br/novoportal/?p=no-deposit-casino
http: // www. takzimtextile.com.my/wordpress/?p=no-deposit-casino
http: // tedxbarcelonawomen.com/?p=no-deposit-casino-uk
http: // www. vanhit.com/?p=mobile-casinos
http: // disneychannel-news.free-life.cz/?p=no-deposit-casino-bonus
http: // www. grupvega.net/online/?p=no-deposit-casino


Yes they are geo targeted landing pages.. Google search results differ depending on what country your viewing from.

 

[falseadoom]

the problem is bigger than you might think : BH affiliates hire people from the Philippines and Malaysia to copy our content and put it on free hosting sites along with their "ads".
those affiliates who are doing this are :

nodepositcasino.net
casinolistings.com
securecasinogambling.com
latestcasinobonuses.com (Yes LCB also !)

WCD : you should reconsider giving CL a link on your site !

/rant

To me it looks like they are using automatic programs to scrape with. Scraping in different ways which includes your full index page only, rss feed contents and most popular is the first sentence in your site where they scrape multiple sites at one time and spin the sentences. Copyscape is not picking up on these but you can find by doing simple search in google for first sentence with quotations. Check first sentence in blog posts for rss scrapers..

This is definitely a flaw in google as original contents should never be outranked by scrapers but they are.

 

[Guard Dog]

wow. that is insane. 1/3rd! Really bad algorithm.

 

[muffincrumbs]

Yes really bad. The big problem seems to be time it takes to dectect spam. After a couple of days or weeks they are usually removed but by then... Well we all know the story. Maybe there will be a speed update in the algorithms soon. That would help significantly.

 

[falseadoom]

I don't think google is actually picking these ones up. Some have been there several months. What is happening is the site owners have been removing the hacked pages, once page is gone then it drops out.

 

[inspiration]

To me it looks like they are using automatic programs to scrape with. Scraping in different ways which includes your full index page only, rss feed contents and most popular is the first sentence in your site where they scrape multiple sites at one time and spin the sentences. Copyscape is not picking up on these but you can find by doing simple search in google for first sentence with quotations. Check first sentence in blog posts for rss scrapers..

This is definitely a flaw in google as original contents should never be outranked by scrapers but they are.

Yes they are partially scraping paragraphs and sometimes a full page. Because they interlink all of these sites their content probably will show first when you do a google search.
This proves to me content is not king as it never has been.

 

[inspiration]

inspiration, when you buy ppc ads you don't always know or have control over where your ads appear. I looked at those three sites you listed and not a single one of them had a link to or an ad for any of those affiliate sites you listed. I see ads for fxdeliver.com, royalvegascasino.com, 365pokies.com, free-cash-bonus.com and a few others and they are no doubt geo-targeted so you probably see different sites.

Every ppc network I have ever tried is very lax and could not care less who signs up and hosts their ads until someone complains about them and they have to cut off the fraudulent traffic that was previously making them money. So it is easy for someone with no creativity or ethics to create a bunch of sites filled with scraped content and run ppc ads on them to make a little money. I would have thought it was a pretty dumb thing to do though, as the value of the traffic would probably be far higher in terms of affiliate revenue. But anyway, the point is I don't see how you can blame the people buying the ads for the sites on which they appear.

Or am I misunderstanding and you are saying those affiliates are deliberately stealing content and running ads on the sites which costs them money instead of linking directly which would cost nothing, at the same time linking to some of their competitors? Because if that is what you are saying then that is ridiculous and makes no sense.

Those affiliates are listed on these sites and most likely other sites they have and also advertise a single brand as well as 1 pagers where you can sign up for bonuses.

I have found more sites with their ads on it that scraped my content sites.

I do not care : if you buy fraudulent traffic you are guilty as well (believe me they know EXACTLY what they are doing).