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    Guard Dog

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    KK is correct. Rival has all the casinos on their servers. That isn't new. They work like White Labels as well even though the casinos are 'owned'. And Rival has an agreement such that when stuff goes wrong, they can take back ownership to prevent further damage to their brand. That is how I understand it. And - They did own and sell the casino/affiliate program.

    With that said - I'm going to contact Rival to get more information on this particular case.
     
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    AussieDave

    AussieDave 17 years & still going!

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    For the casinos to be sold, Rival would have had to have sold the casinos to Deiter 1'st.

    FYI - Do you recall Tradition Casino and being busted over at CM for their dodgy blackjack payouts... Instead of the standard 2:3, tradition was paying 1:1 for blackjack. Turned out that who ever was the operator, someone had screwed around with the blackjack payouts...

    Tradition casino then got a name change to Gibson Casino. I believe that was circa 2009/10. well before Deiter came on the scene. The owner of Gibson was Rival (aka Bonne Chance, aka Black square etc etc). Now your telling us that Deiter owned Gibson Casino?

    If that's what your claiming Andy, you may want to recheck that information ;)

    That's just one example. I can assure you Deiter et al DID not own these casinos.

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    As far as ALL rival powered casinos being on Rival servers, that's true. However, I can assure you, private labels will NOT being using Rival owned IP's. Instead and for example...

    slotscapital.lv - their IP is: 190.4.93.5

    inetnum: 190.4.93.0/26
    status: reallocated
    owner: CR-CHSA-LACNIC
    ownerid: CR-CRCH-LACNIC
    responsible: Adrian Murillo
    address: Oficentro Tecnologico, Tibas San Jose, ---,
    address: 11401 - San Jose -
    country: CR

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    Anyway best of luck guys and girls... No skin off my nose. I'm just merely trying to help and also set the record straight. But seems when ever I do that, when I try to help, I'm seeing as stiring the pot so to speak. Seems if people actually did proper checks, then less people would end up in these type of situations... nuff said
     
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    Guard Dog

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    It's all guesswork, Dave. You don't know what you are saying is true with 100% accuracy and neither do I. We only have educated guesses at this point.

    I do know that Rival re-distributed casinos to owners willing to take on old properties where the owners either vanished or something unsavory happened (assuming via sale, but could have been via management only). I could check, but I am pretty sure Tradition was one of those casinos.
     
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    Kadabra

    Kadabra Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Meant to write exactly that, but had to go for few hours. No way Dieter, and for sure not Dwayne owned those brands. Those casinos had no real money or true interest behind them. They were just kept alive cause why not to make some money, but with O investment.

    I don't know if they belong to Rival or not, although sounds like a good guess.

    I assume in the future the "new management" will reappear, with superb new program and affiliate friendly rules, maybe rename Gibson to whatever and so forth.
     
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    Guard Dog

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    Again, lots of comments with no basis in real knowledge. Let me find out more from Rival before we all tear everything down by posting what we *think*. Just seems stupid to me for us all to engage in complete speculation like this. I am guilty as well as you can see from above. So - I will start by stopping. lol.
     
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    Tupee

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    Anyhow, that is just not the way that they disappear without notice. At other places (maybe even at some problematic ones as I remember from the past) you get an email when an affiliate manager steps down and they are replaced, or when there are changes in the affiliate program. Considering Refilliates was the better kind of program among the suspicious places, the lack of these notifications makes me frustrated. When the website disappears, for me that is a good reason to notify people. A must.
     
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    Kadabra

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    Cool. You are right. The only problem I doubt we will be given an answer.

    Btw, not all Rival casinos are managed as white labels. For example you won't find Deckmedia Rival brands on that server - they are on Decks server with UpTown and all the rest.
     
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    Guard Dog

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    Well guys... I hate to say it, but Rival did not respond as I had hoped they would. I have had a good relationship with them over many years, so I am not thrilled:


    I'm giving the new owners a week to come forward and discuss what is going on with their PARTNERS. If there is no discussion, then I am going to blacklist all Rival Casinos (Except Deckmedia who are obviously running on their own servers).

    This is beyond frustrating.
     
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    Don't know if this is related in any way but Dendera Affiliates now goes to a forbidden page. Something is going on somewhere.

    And one other thing I think "all Rival Casinos" is a little broad. Superiorshare is just like Deckmedia on their own servers.
     
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    casinonewbie

    casinonewbie Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    There is no plane, RIP Refilliates
     
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    No meal voucher, but probably we will get to pick up the soap :eek:
     
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    KasinoKing

    KasinoKing Player turned affiliate.

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    Well I do hope THEY have gone down - if there were ever a Rogue Rival operator, you have it right there. :mad:

    KK
     
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    KasinoKing

    KasinoKing Player turned affiliate.

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    OMG - do you remember that idiot French lady who was running Tradition?
    She stated that "Skilled players get more Blackjacks than un-skilled", and she said their program always had NCO even though Bonustreak and I had screenshots of their website where it clearly said "No NCO"! She ended up calling us both liars - here on the forum! :eek:
    From 2010:
    http://www.affiliateguarddog.com/community/threads/tradtion-casino-to-uses-predatory-tatics.2327/

    And you are right, after she totally screwed up the casino it was taken over and re-branded as "Gibson" in September 2010.
    Dieter (Refilliates) didn't take over Gibson until the middle of 2014.

    KK
     
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    Looks like Rival is making some clean up but do not communicate as usual...
     
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    Kadabra

    Kadabra Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    It's such a pity. To Reffiliates but the way Rival is managed in general.

    Their product is so much better than RTG for example: the slots are nicers, the RTP of many slots is published, and those slots can actually pay. So much more attractive for players. Not to mention that they can be easily integrated with other providers, again unlike RTG. Yet, their decision making is so bad. The way they choose partners, instability, there is a reason why many solid operators won't touch them.
     
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    Guard Dog

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    I talked again with Rival. Next week at this time, if there still is no contact from the company that has taken over these casinos - we should be able to push further. Wednesday of next week is my deadline.
     
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    SuperiorShare

    SuperiorShare Affiliate Program Representative

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    I'm only weighing in to confirm that the hosting, in Superior's case anyway, is the only connection. Many white label and stand alone ops host in the same place. But hosting is the only thing Rival provides for Superior right now.
     
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