Moved to Predatory

[Guard Dog]

Due to this term:

Minimum Activity Rule
In order to maintain the active status of the affiliate account, VistaGaming reserves the right (after 6 months of inactivity, non-exposure of brands or non-communication with VistaGaming), to reduce the affiliate's revenue share to 10% until such time as VistaGaming management are assured that the affiliate is actively promoting the brands. If the Affiliate is not able to provide proof that they are actively promoting the brand to VistaGaming's satisfaction, then after a period of 12 months, VistaGaming will terminate any agreement with the affiliate and thus consider any players to be house players from that time onwards.

 

[LandofOz]

That's a shame. I recently finished listing them. I'll keep them listed and see what happens. Hopefully, they won't enforce this condition.

 

[KasinoKing]

Due to this term:

Minimum Activity Rule
In order to maintain the active status of the affiliate account, VistaGaming reserves the right (after 6 months of inactivity, non-exposure of brands or non-communication with VistaGaming), to reduce the affiliate's revenue share to 10% until such time as VistaGaming management are assured that the affiliate is actively promoting the brands. If the Affiliate is not able to provide proof that they are actively promoting the brand to VistaGaming's satisfaction, then after a period of 12 months, VistaGaming will terminate any agreement with the affiliate and thus consider any players to be house players from that time onwards.

I have to say I think this move is a little harsh
To me, all they are saying is "If you are not currently promoting our brands at all (for 6 months) we will reduce your RS"
Sounds fair enough to me.

Have you reached out to them to ask if they would consider re-wording this term?
Maybe the word "inactivity" needs a bit more clarification...

KK

 

[Engineer]

They say they can cut the rate to 10% or terminate the agreement and take all your players if you dont promote them at some undefined level. This is a textbook predatory term, and not something I would ever be able to vote for as "friendly." Friendly means no blackmail clauses. If the casino is still earning from past players, the affiliate should also continue to earn at the same standard rate as usual, without being threatened to have their rate drastically reduced, or have all players stolen after 12 months, as these terms state.

Also, yes AGD did reach out to them and they chose to keep their predatory terms, which means they intend to use them. Be extremely careful with this program -- you have been warned.

 

[bonustreak]

I agree fully with Dave. AGD always reaches out to affiliate programs before any tough decisions are made. Vista did not seem in the position to change this term to be more affiliate friendly, if they do decide to make changes they will of course moved to the certified section. KK I am shocked you are okay with thievery of income from players!

 

[KasinoKing]

KK I am shocked you are okay with thievery of income from players!

Well sorry if I shocked you - but I like to see fair play on BOTH sides.
If I didn't have ANY promotional material at all on my websites for 6 months, then I think it would be fair for them to terminate.
After all, if I was earning and they hadn't gone rogue - why wouldn't I promote them?

Just my opinion!

KK

 

[bonustreak]

What if you were in an accident and could not work 6 months- You think it is fair to lose income? Sorry, lifetime of the player means just that lifetime..

 

[KasinoKing]

What if you were in an accident and could not work 6 months- You think it is fair to lose income? Sorry, lifetime of the player means just that lifetime..

I don't get that - if I had an accident & couldn't do ANY work, then I wouldn't be able to REMOVE them from my website - so I just don't understand your point.

Maybe you work in a different way - completely removing and replacing casinos...?
Mine stay permanently on my sites unless they go rogue or I decide to dump them.

KK

 

[danniee]

Cant honestly believe this is being debated Thank's for the heads up and the job you guys do for us affiliates. With these terms there's no chance in hell I'll work with them.

 

[bonustreak]

Maybe you work in a different way - completely removing and replacing casinos...?
Mine stay permanently on my sites unless they go rogue or I decide to dump them.

No I do not.... You can still have them listed and not send them the players/traffic they require before they steal your cash! You can still have them listed and have NO activity!! This happens all the time. I have some sites listed that I have not had a new player hit in in a yr but I still earn from my older players!

 

[Engineer]

^^ Same here, and this is exactly how it should be. As long as players are still depositing and the casino is profiting, so should the affiliate.

 

[KasinoKing]

If you're still listing them, there shouldn't be a problem.

I have contacted them about this issue and they have promised to look at it again.
I MIGHT meet their rep in SiGMA next week (but only if I decide to go to the conference for 2 days instead of my planned one). If so, I will discuss with her also.

KK

 

[The Stone]

I agree with Kasinoking. personally we all need to wake up and realise anyone that promises life time is talking bullshit or they're hiding it behind that quarantine crap. to me this is a fair up front term. Casino isn't the only thing I do to earn money and in other stuff I do no one pays me if I stop working with them.

 

[danniee]

I agree with Kasinoking. personally we all need to wake up and realise anyone that promises life time is talking bullshit or they're hiding it behind that quarantine crap. to me this is a fair up front term. Casino isn't the only thing I do to earn money and in other stuff I do no one pays me if I stop working with them.

So because affiliation is not your full time job, the rest of us should give up what is rightly ours? I don't understand that argument. Life time rev share is life time rev share, there is no way around it.

 

[edgarf76]

Vista Gaming was just audited by AGD and they came out fine? Also, Vegas Crest is still listed on LCB as a top site

 

[The Stone]

So because affiliation is not your full time job, the rest of us should give up what is rightly ours? I don't understand that argument. Life time rev share is life time rev share, there is no way around it.

No,that's not what I'm saying. you say life time revshare is life time revshare, but it's obviously not otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation. I'm just saying personally I don't trust life time at all any more,so I don't understand why anyone else would

 

[RyanWeb]

We shouldn't weaken the term 'lifetime revshare' ... If everyone starts thinking 'thats just the way it is' more programs will feel justified in following suit. The entire point of AGD (members collectively) is to hold programs accountable, especially to their ToS.

For many of us, AGD is our only recourse from being screwed by affiliate programs. If a program agrees to 'lifetime' it should be held accountable.

FYI I like Vista Gaming, but lets not help make excuses for a program (retroactively) changing their terms. My point, don't make it to easy for them... Move them to Predatory (as done) and they should very well understand the reasoning. This is business.

 

[Guard Dog]

We have a good working relationship with Vista, that does not mean we will let a predatory term pass and certify them at AGD.

Vista Gaming was just audited by AGD and they came out fine? Also, Vegas Crest is still listed on LCB as a top site

 

[KasinoKing]

We have a good working relationship with Vista, that does not mean we will let a predatory term pass and certify them at AGD.

IS it actually a retroactive term?
If so, when was it added, do you know?

KK

 

[Guard Dog]

No, we do not believe it was retroactively added.