How is Rewardsaffiliates doing for you?

[inspiration]

Rewards Affiliates is currently 'Under Review' at AffiliateSecure.com. With our own tests we have not found any shaving activities, but we are not happy with their cross-marketing without affiliate links. Read more about this over at Affiliate Guard Dog.

We are not assigning a 'Scanned OK' to Rewards Affiliates untill this is solved. We are hoping to convince RA to change this policy, as we believe it is unfair to affiliates.

Amen to that buddy !

 

[lauferb]

shaving

THE PROBLEM with shaving is that IMHO it's not necessarily related to the aff program, it can be the casino and also may be the software vendor: the ones who have the database of players and their player value.
it can be just 1 player out of 1000, but this 1 player is chosen to be shaved because it's a player with very high player value and therefore this shaving of only 1 player can lower the profit of an affiliate in 90% also.
IMHO shaving is something that the aff. manager is not even aware of.

 

[AffiliateSecure]

THE PROBLEM with shaving is that IMHO it's not necessarily related to the aff program, it can be the casino and also may be the software vendor: the ones who have the database of players and their player value.
it can be just 1 player out of 1000, but this 1 player is chosen to be shaved because it's a player with very high player value and therefore this shaving of only 1 player can lower the profit of an affiliate in 90% also.
IMHO shaving is something that the aff. manager is not even aware of.

This is correct, that's why when an Affiliate Manager trying to protect his Brand and its name doesn't even aware of everything that goes on behind the scene and taking the risk of getting his personal name marked and not in a good way.
I suggest to to all affiliate managers, cooperate and help the affiliates to feel safe and secure, if there are lots of complains don't ask for proves or say that its not happening, get to the bottom of the issue from inside! if you do find any way of shaving i suggest you to quit that brand and inform the Affiliates about it, i can guaranty that most Affiliates including me personally will follow you when you join other Affiliate Program as an affiliate manager, its not worth taking the fire for someone else.......

If a brand is shaving, in cross marketing or in any other method or reason eventually WE WILL CATCH THEM!

Regards,

AffiliateSecure Team

 

[free4gambling]

First of all, I do not understand this discussion.

Isn't it the same as someone come to my website and click another webmasters link and start playing on his casinos. So because we need it for our websites seo, it is allowed, but when an affiliate program does so, we start talking about shaving

 

[lots0]

I have not done business with RA since right about the time Renee started working for them. "Shaving" was going on at RA long before Renee started with them, in my opinion.

What I suspected back then and the reason I stopped doing business with RA back then was for the following reasons.
Please bear in mind that I have NO hard proof of these accusations. These were just my gut feelings at the time.

1. Not being credited with all your sign ups. I believe that a percentage of sign ups were siphoned off to third party marketing firms.

2. All your sign ups get marketed to without your aff tag by third party marking outfits.

3. The classic rip-off of just re-tagging the player directly to the casino.

Please let me stress that these were my observations and opinions. I have no hard proof of any of this. But I did drop RA like a bad habit after a couple of years of promoting them.

I would also like to point out that after I dropped RA, I moved the traffic to Referback and saw my income increase by 300% (pre UGIEA) with the EXACT same traffic and bonus offers.

Please keep in mind that besides the fact I don't have any proof and my experience was years ago. I don't keep up with all the current goings on at RA, so maybe they cleaned up their act.

Also like to say that I like Renee, she is smart and not afraid to stand up and be heard. She is also very loyal to her employers. All good qualities, IMO.

 

[KasinoKing]

First of all, I do not understand this discussion.

Isn't it the same as someone come to my website and click another webmasters link and start playing on his casinos. So because we need it for our websites seo, it is allowed, but when an affiliate program does so, we start talking about shaving

That's a little bit different.
You know that by having other site's links on your pages that you are taking the risk that your visitors might go there instead. But in return you are getting the advantages cross-linking.
That is a calculated risk.

But if the casinos are de-tagging your players without you even having the slightest clue, or cross-referring to their other properties without maintaining your tags - that is stealing.

KK

 

[ocportal]

I was already emailed from 3 players regarding the rewards group spam emails, they send them emails from every single property they own, very annoying for players and as a consequence I will soon put a "spam warning" up for all rewards properties.
It is exactly what KasinoKing explained.

About conversions: low low low

 

[inspiration]

January seems not be a great month with Rewards

Probably their cross marketing campaigns offering players bonuses from other CR casinos with no credit to the affiliate kicks in hard.

 

[masterpain]

that doin for me:

affiliateguarddog.com/forums/rewardsaffiliates-not-serious-t4820.html

 

[DoggyStyle]

cross marketing

January seems not be a great month with Rewards

Probably their cross marketing campaigns offering players bonuses from other CR casinos with no credit to the affiliate kicks in hard.

You are probably right.
I am (was) a player myself at Rewards Casinos. I asked them several times to remove me from their mailing list. Eventually they did it. I haven't received any mails for months - until 2012. Since 2012 they send me every day (!) at least one email. Sometimes it's 2 or 3 mails a day. That's no affiliate spam, it comes from casinorewards directly.

I do not want to think about how much damage it causes to my earnings... January is (so far) the worst month compared to any month in 2011.

... lol and my AM always asks me "What can we do to increase the amount of new players you bring". Always wanting new players, just to steal them from me!

End of denial, I have to remove them completely

 

[inspiration]

You are probably right.
I am (was) a player myself at Rewards Casinos. I asked them several times to remove me from their mailing list. Eventually they did it. I haven't received any mails for months - until 2012. Since 2012 they send me every day (!) at least one email. Sometimes it's 2 or 3 mails a day. That's no affiliate spam, it comes from casinorewards directly.

I do not want to think about how much damage it causes to my earnings... January is (so far) the worst month compared to any month in 2011.

... lol and my AM always asks me "What can we do to increase the amount of new players you bring". Always wanting new players, just to steal them from me!

Casinorewards does snatch your referred players with their emails.

Just posted this :

Inhouse cross marketing by C-Rewards ?

 

[dominique]

Hmm, January looks fine to me so far, it's shaping up nicely and on wagershare it's not going to go down. I haven't received any mails in some time and never asked to be removed from the list. (just too lazy, lol, easier to just delete)

After 10+ years in the biz it still boggles my mind how different sites can produce such different results with specific programs.

 

[inspiration]

dominique
Hmm, January looks fine to me so far, it's shaping up nicely and on wagershare it's not going to go down. I haven't received any mails in some time and never asked to be removed from the list. (just too lazy, lol, easier to just delete)

After 10+ years in the biz it still boggles my mind how different sites can produce such different results with specific programs.

It all comes down to the numbers, you referred a lot of players after so many years and a few good players can make all the difference.

This is a typical WYSIWYG explanation if profits meet your expectations.

This does not mean ofcourse that Rewards has not snatched a lions share of your profits, you may be surprised what has gone lost by cross promotion campaigns and should be rightfully yours.

They could be a far better group if they would let go of contineously harvesting players from our playersbase.

 

[dominique]

Agreed, the live links on the bottom of mails need to go.

What's a WYSIWYG?

 

[inspiration]

I newsletters all mini stories about popular slots and winners have links to various casinos that is highlighted.

Those promo teasers are the worst.


I meant What You See Is What You Get .......LOL

 

[dominique]

rofl! Like I say, I agree that the mails are extremely unfair and that we likely lose a bunch of money to them.

 

[free4gambling]

Ok can anybody do some math here.
I am curious about the numbers we are talking about.
Let say I send CR 100 signups every month and 20 players.
Can anybody tell me what percentage of player loss we talking about by email or by sending them traffic.

I ask this because I'm not sure how many of the visitors or readers would see these bottom links on webpage or promotion emails.

 

[inspiration]

Update for November : Earnings dropped substantially this month

most big players stopped playing / could not find those playing in my stats anymore.

Due to their huge number of properties and inhouse cross promotion without our affiliate tags the existing players base is constantly under attack therefore the performance for the affiliate is getting worse each day.

 

[grumble]

Update for November : Earnings dropped substantially this month

most big players stopped playing / could not find those playing in my stats anymore.

Due to their huge number of properties and inhouse cross promotion without our affiliate tags the existing players base is constantly under attack therefore the performance for the affiliate is getting worse each day.

So true, earnings dropped to 20% of October!
Although I have about the same amount of new players, old (big) players just disappear.

 

[cassaon888]

We had loads of registrations with Rewards but never made a cent with them. From a business point of view we decided not to market them any more, not to mention the issues that other affiliates already mentioned.