GPWA turning into CAP ?

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    casinonewbie

    casinonewbie Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    That Starpartner BS must be one of the big cover ups of the year with both players and affiliates being conned. Many good affiliates are posting at GPWA but for what i ask? There just providing free content for the site and rogue (sponsor) programs doing as they please ...LOL. IMHO - Spend your available time providing quality content for your own sites instead of helping theirs with no thanks..
     
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    AidanLCFC

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    excellent post. I've stopped posting on there, and obviously it's a free world for people to do as they wish but I ain't helping them when all they do is line their pockets and not give a crap about affiliates. do wonder why people still bother with the place
     
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    bonustreak

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    I agree it isnt fair to bash them here but I can also understand the frustration.. This is why we try so hard to be fair and not suggest rogue operations here at AGD, hence the low budget .. :)
    AGD is built on integrity before money.. :) Andy does a great job with the limited resources..
     
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    slotplayer

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    Those with integrity prevail in this world.
     
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    Guard Dog

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    I don't want to bash them, to be honest. Some people love GPWA, some don't. Just the same with AGD. I do my best here and that's all I can do. A lot more posts there, but I prefer the more business-like atmosphere here (i.e., feels like we help each other out a lot more here). Of course - I'm biased.
     
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    Kadabra

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    I think most people who post there (I am one of them) - perfectly aware of the situation and just use it to communicate with each other. I couldn't care less about Gpwa stamps and sponsors (I do check if the program is approved here before I sign).

    However, I don't understand people that get pissed with GPWA but still post there. You know exactly where Gpwa stand. Doesn't seem it's going to change. So by posting there you actually do the same thing as GPWA themselves - give up a bit on your principles for comfort/benefit.
     
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    onlinecasinoscloud1

    onlinecasinoscloud1 Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    For me it is simple and I see big difference between AGD and GPWA, here on agd if any affilate program has predatory inclinations simply drops out and is moved in the rightful place like as: Predatory or Roguehouse section. Unfortunately in the gpwa everything is more silently, many times aff managers on gpwa be completly silent if they are doing something wrong, but they say a lot of other irrelevant matters, anyway I remember as I have resolved some of problems in gpwa.
     
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    slotplayer

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    GPWA is smoke and mirrors. Treat it as such.
     
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    CaseyM

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    Exactly ... and at GPWA money/sponsorship is the deciding factor
     
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    AidanLCFC

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    it's not about "bashing" them, it's about telling the truth. says it all in the thread i posted where michael thought he was pming a sponsor program and not an affiliate where he said they (GPWA and the sponsor) should have a strategy when replying to an issue, how about just telling the truth instead of coming up with a strategy
     
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    inspiration

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    The GPWA have a big problem called conflict of interest and that is why they have JT around with the APCW to call m out for thieves rogues etc. But not at the GPWA as it is their cash cow.
     
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    AussieDave

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    When Michael bought the GPWA, he did his damdest to be liked.

    He went so far as to GIVE a popular USA private member $5,000US, because he was about to lose his house. From memory that affiliate was Randy Ray(?). That sealed the popularity/trust vote. Moving forward I'd say 99% of the member base BELIEVED the plans Michael had for the GPWA, were in the best interests of ALL affiliates.

    That it is... And, Michael's a shrude business man.

    Make no mistake, the GPWA like CasinoCity etc., etc., are ALL commerical money making ventures. Nothing more, nothing less.

    When SlyCin had the GPWA, the best interests of gaming affiliates were always put 1'st. Making money was always 2'nd in line. Back then, programs who didn't want to be blanket blacklisted, towed to the line. It was that simple... The GPWA back then was a powerful force.

    But... Then came a lot of negative crap from outside entities, all it seemed fueled with a hidden agenda.

    In the end, and after a lot of internal bickering amongst founding members, SlyCin (Cindy) had a gutful of the snide remarks, and all untrue crap leveled at her feet. Plus Cindy wasn't well. She had a potential life-threatning illness. So she put the GPWA up for sale.

    Which was bought by John (surname unknown). He sold it 14 months or so later to Michael in 2007/08 (?).

    The strength that both the GPWA and its affiliates once had, was no more.

    Given the demise, you have to wonder... Did some industry heavy weights decide SlyCin had to go?

    That's ALL history and I'm not going to mention who said what or who made life uncomfortable for Cindy... But from my vantage point, it was clear as the nose-on-my-face, that someone or a group of people wanted the GPWA as it was, out of business!
     
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    slotplayer

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    I visit GPWA as it is an information source. What I don't do is participate in any of the polls (my silent protest) and refused getting the magazine. (I also declined the affiliate interview twice)
     
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    Hello friends. As i see, not only me dissapointed after "Star Partner case".
     
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    AidanLCFC

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    stick to posting here instead pal, much more ethical
     
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    inspiration

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    IMO the GPWA has lost a lot of participating members as most are realizing that any serious problem with a sponsor will not be addressed but also there are no consequences implemented when violating the GPWA code of conduct.
     
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    falseadoom

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    Lou seen possibility of forum and private messaged a lot of bigger affiliates to get them to move to Cap. He knew if he could get the bigger affiliates programs would move as well which happened. I personally have no problem with forums gaining some income from the programs until it over-rides supporting affiliates when there is clearly a problem. Which is why I think AGD does a great job.
     
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    AussieDave

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    You've hit the nail on the head.

    There has to be some form of accountability, and consequences (for unethical actions etc by sponsors). Program Sponsors of any forum, SHOULD be held to a higher level of ethics and credibility. Just because they pay money to a forum, should never give them carte blache, nor have excuses/justifications posted, for their bad behaviour.
     
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    AussieDave

    AussieDave 17 years & still going!

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    When I ran the AWAA (Australian Webmaster Affiliates Association), before accepting an sponsorship dollars, programs had to agree to our Code of Conduct (FPP) T&C's.

    (edit, I had the waybackmachine link here BUT decided, given the AWAA closed in late 2012, there's no point in posting the URL).

    One sponsor, Commission365 (who btw I was making a pretty penny from maketing to AU and NZ players, on my portals), well they breached the FPP (fair practices policy) T&C's. It concerned affiliate and player payments (should I say, lack of). They promised to have it sorted within ten (10) days. They broke that promise, so I breached them.

    Within three (3) days after that breach, everyone was paid.

    They didn't renew their yearly sponsorship at the end of their term. Guess they figured out, regardless of how much money I was making from them on my portals, I'm not the type of person who will look the other way, or allow any program to step out of line without enforcing consequences.

    I have no issue with affiliate forums making money. What I have BIG problem with however, are affiliate forums, making up excuses to protect sponsorship dollars.
     
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    Shay

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    They address sponsor violations by moderating threads and deleting posts. Just today (this morning), I alerted a program that there was a thread in the "non sponsored" areas that needed their attention, as people were locked out of their accounts, and the AM was ignoring their email and skype requests. I return home today and see that the thread has been deleted (or hidden or whatever they will call it - probably "held for moderation"). Regardless, that corrupt SOB is in it only for himself. It has been that way with him for a long time, so I should not be surprised if I am honest about it.
     
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