Casinomeister removes Rushmore Accreditation

[Steve Russo]

Finally, messing around with addresses, is a strong indication for a fraudster.

There was no "messing around with addresses". The player registered with one address only and had kept that address with his Moneybookers for several years.

It is his legal domicile. In fact, if he had used the address from his temporary apartment then he would have been risking being charged with using a fake address. There was no way he could have proved that it was his real one.

Both my son and my daughter are near this player's age. They live in two separate cities. Both are just beginning their careers and both are renting apartments. All their legal documents, including driving licenses' and tax returns, show my house as their legal domicile. It makes the most sense for them to work this way as they have no idea of where they will be living next year at this time.

The story had an happy end, because the fraudster got paid and the casino end up almost rogued and considering the amount of "level-headed professionals" involved, this is quite an accomplishment and exactly how player advocacy should work like.

(nro)

It seems to me very odd that you would accuse someone of being a "fraudster" -- which means that he has violated the law -- without any proof at all.

I have over 40 years experience in journalism and have pretty much learned how to tell if someone is lying to me, yet even with that I require evidence before making such a statement.

I did not know this person when he first contacted Gambling Grumbles and had no reason to be prejudiced in his behalf. (Gambling Grumbles does not charge either the player or the casino for its services and, hence, has no horse in the race.)

It was only after seeing both what the casino and the player had to say, as well as reading screen shots of the player's documentation, that I was able to come to any conclusion at all.

Interesting enough, both the player and the casino dealt honestly with me throughout the entire period. This is evidenced by the fact that there was never a "he said/she said" situation. Both agreed on the basics from the very beginning.

Both the player and the casino agreed that he used his mother's home address (which was his legal address) and both agreed that he was living elsewhere at the time.

Indeed, the private investigator hired by the casino verified this and also verified the player's identity.

The dispute was over the interpretation of the facts. The casino was convinced, without any evidence, that he must have done so to cheat it. The player denied this.

In the end, the casino opened itself to the possibility that it might have made a mistake -- but wanted proof of that. It insisted on seeing the source of his funding. It required his Moneybooker's account records to be certain that no one else had deposited the money and, on top of that, required his bank records to verify this.

After all these were provided, the casino realized it had made an error and paid the player.

I frankly can not see why you are certain that there was fraud involved. Do you have any evidence? If so, please present it.

 

[essex]

I frankly can not see why you are certain that there was fraud involved. Do you have any evidence? If so, please present it.

It's not me, that is so certain, that fraud was involved here, but the casino - otherwise they would have pay him long time ago. I just look at the supporting evidence.

 

[Steve Russo]

It's not me, that is so certain, that fraud was involved here, but the casino - otherwise they would have pay him long time ago. I just look at the supporting evidence.

No, the casino now realizes that there was no fraud involved. Here are the casino's exact words:

We were extremely certain that his case was fraud but after further
extensive investigation, he has cleared himself if this. He was very
co-operative with us and showed us a lot of his information such as bank
statements and Moneybookers screen shots, so we feel pretty good to have
cleared him of what was suspected of him.

 

[essex]

Here is the presentation:

Normal people tend to be at work, or wherever, at this time in central Europe and do not watch a thread like this day & night and of course do not log in nearly instantly all the time, after something has been written, that tarnishes their vanity, pondering if to respond to it or not (as is the case now for example) - everyone who has the eyes for that, should be already aware, how Embalu's "profession" looks like.

 

[Pokerkeep]

It's not me, that is so certain, that fraud was involved here, but the casino - otherwise they would have pay him long time ago. I just look at the supporting evidence.

But there was no supporting evidence. The investigators - hired by the casino - found no evidence of fraud. The casino ignored those findings. Once the casino actually took their blinders off and looked at this case on it's own merits, they realized they had made a mistake and paid up. It would not have happened if the player and a small group of affiliates had not kept the pressure on. End of story.

 

[Steve Russo]

Here is the presentation:

Normal people tend to be at work, or wherever, at this time in central Europe and do not watch a thread like this day & night and of course do not log in nearly instantly all the time, after something has been written, that tarnishes their vanity, pondering if to respond to it or not (as is the case now for example) - everyone who has the eyes for that, should be already aware, how Embalu's "profession" looks like.

I like to think that I am a "normal" person, yet I have been responding to your posts. Why should Embalu be any less concerned than I am about libelous statements made about him?

 

[Steve Russo]

Essex, I've noticed some curious facts. You just signed up and you (as of right now) have made three posts -- all on this one subject.

You've used the word "fraudster" to refer to the player. Someone else also used that term. His user name is "nro" -- and he has been banned.

Most curious of all is that you signed one of your posts "nro".

Now, if I were the suspicious type, I might actually think that you are, indeed, "nro", posting under a second account. Of course, that would make you a fraudster, wouldn't it?

 

[essex]

We were extremely certain that his case was fraud but after further
extensive investigation, he has cleared himself if this. He was very
co-operative with us and showed us a lot of his information such as bank
statements and Moneybookers screen shots, so we feel pretty good to have
cleared him of what was suspected of him.

But there was no supporting evidence. The investigators - hired by the casino - found no evidence of fraud. The casino ignored those findings. Once the casino actually took their blinders off and looked at this case on it's own merits, they realized they had made a mistake and paid up. It would not have happened if the player and a small group of affiliates had not kept the pressure on. End of story.

Do you want to hear the real story pokerkeep?

According to the casino the player got paid because of the pressure from the forums and several forum 'crusaders'. I told them it was a mistake to pay... They thought it would just go away after they payed the blackmail... It didn't, all it did was make them look guilty and open the door even wider for more player fraud.

 

[essex]

Why should Embalu be any less concerned than I am about libelous statements made about him?

It doesn't matter that much, if he is concerned of not, because a lot of jigsaw puzzle pieces, will give the big picture in the end. One of this pieces is his nonresponse to this thread so far, which is more than strange, considering his vanity and the number of logins to this forum.

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

nro, essex, whatever "Nitro" is calling himself these days is a total nut job...don't know why you guys are even bothering to respond to his drivel.
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[essex]

Essex, I've noticed some curious facts.

I have noticed some curious facts too - when someone starts to run out of arguments, almost always an attack on the person will follow (this is the explanation for postings like the last one and the constant bans).

 

[Embalu]

It doesn't matter that much, if he is concerned of not, because a lot of jigsaw puzzle pieces, will give the big picture in the end. One of this pieces is his nonresponse to this thread so far, which is more than strange, considering his vanity and the number of logins to this forum.

The solution of this "puzzle" is easy: it's not that I'm constantly watching this thread. Instead, I'm subscribed to this thread with instant e-mail notification and Yahoo Messenger instantly notifies me when I receive an e-mail. Then I glance at the response, which doesn't mean that I always have time to react and write a post.

I will reply to other posts later.

 

[essex]

Instead, I'm subscribed to this thread with instant e-mail notification and Yahoo Messenger instantly notifies me when I receive an e-mail. Then I glance at the response, which doesn't mean that I always have time to react and write a post.

The solution of this "puzzle" is easy: it's not that I'm constantly watching this thread.

The thread is watching you, but you're still the one, that keeps constantly logging in.

 

[essex]

The solution of this "puzzle" is easy ...

You actually tell already a lot more, that you are aware of, because all the other "puzzles" (this!) are well registered in your head, but it seems, that from your perspective, it's a lot "harder" to explain them away, so you didn't bother so far.

The reason you responded now is, because the case would be "closed" otherwise, so this was the last possibility, to save your vanity, but given that you waited an "eternity" to show up here, it only shows how unpleasant you must feel about it.

 

[bonustreak]

We will have to have the dog match up ip's and see if this is a pest we have just removed from the forum not long ago..

 

[Guard Dog]

We will have to have the dog match up ip's and see if this is a pest we have just removed from the forum not long ago..

Nitro/Nitro2/nro/essex is banned (again)

 

[KasinoKing]

Hi,
I would like to summarise the last crazy weeks, threads and wild accusations that have been flying around.

Some comments & questions if I may:

1. C-planet was removed as a platinum sponsor from AGD.
As the guy in charge of C-planet marketing , I have to agree with Andy, and I understand fully why this happened. We have been late on payments to affiliates, i can not deny this fact. I understand that timely payments is an important issue with a lot of affiliates. I have endeavored to rectify this problem, time will tell if I succeed.
I will add that Andy did not rogue us and we maybe late but we do pay all affiliates.

WHY?
Baring in mind what you said at the bottom of your post about being solvent and paying $MILLIONS to affiliates every month, WHY can't you pay your affiliates on time?
If Sloto, Club World, MainStreet and others can pay on the 1st of the month, every month, WHY can't you pay by the 15th?
If you do have a legitimate problem, WHY don't you tell your affiliates about it and give them a firm date for payment?
I'm sure they would be much more understanding if you did & there would be far less posts complaining about the shabby way you treat them.

2.... The noise leading up to it and personal insults and wild accusations on some of the threads has just been ridiculous ( I am not referring to AGD threads)
It seems some people on the forum can post what ever they like, even if it is a complete fabrication of the truth, if i dare to question them I am demonised.

Unfortunately, that's life!

I believe that some people play God on the forums and are completey removed from reality. Hence nobody from GPWA management or "Important Fiery Forum Regulars" attempted to meet with me in Prague...

What you need to do is learn how to spot these people early... and then ignore them.
Easier said than done, don't I know it!

3. The fact we are no longer accredited at Casinomeister is a shame...
I also believe that certain forum members have too much power and get away with too much.

It's only perceived power - in reality they have none.
Get away with too much? Well that's freedom of speech for you - would you prefer censorship...?

Our software is not rigged, we do not make up jackpot winners...

Then WHY wont you explain how the RJ's discussed on CM grew at a totally unfeasible rate which could not possibly occur in anything like normal playing conditions?

Can we improve the way we operate ? Yes

YES!

[/Devil's Advocate]
KK

PS: Yes. Essex is NRO is Nitro (1 & 2) and has been banned at just about every forum on the net - mainly for just being a total pain in the ass and proving himself incapable of putting his points across in a civil and rational manor.

 

[dominique]

He loves proxies... Dunno why he can't find something better to do with his time...

 

[Embalu]

Nitro/Nitro2/nro/essex, though you're banned, I'm sure you're reading this, so here is my reply:

It seems it's pointless to argue with you because you have already decided that I'm a fraudster and probably nothing can change your opinion. According to your "logic":

- If I make post even after getting the money, then I'm a fraudster.
- If I don't reply immediately after looking at a post, then I'm a fraudster.
- If I'm persistant in chasing my legitimate winnings, then I'm a fraudster.
- If I live in Hungary and I'm not a 60 years old grandpa or a 40 years old woman, then I'm a fraudster. (Btw, there is a chance that I will be a 60 years old grandpa in the future but no chance that I will be a 40 years old woman. )

Also, as Steve pointed out, there were no "messing around with addresses". You can find the details of the story in the links that I have posted.

The thread is watching you, but you're still the one, that keeps constantly logging in.

I'm automatically logged in when I click on the link in the e-mail. This is necessary because otherwise I won't receive further notifications. The notification e-mail says: "There may also be other replies, but you will not receive any more notifications until you visit the forum again."

Finally, after you had been banned, you registered again and again with different accounts - this is what is called fraud, as Steve has already mentioned it.

 

[Aussie-Dave]

I've not followed this case.

From playing some quick catch up, there are other casinos that should be pulled from the CM accredited list, that have done far worse things than Rushmore. But they still remain

And besides, hasn't CM always made it clear he does not tolerate players who are not legit. To me any player who admits to giving false information is dubious to start with.

Sounds like a trumped up excuse to me...

What I do see. so far, is a lot of smoke, mirrors, whispers and innunendo...

Oh I'm sure there is more to this...

Did Rushmore pull it's Media Buy with CM?

It wouldn't be the first time a casino's ceased its promotions at CM to find it being dragged through the mud soon after...

I could give specific examples but to do so would break confidence.

Though if you do some digging in and around 2004 - 2006 you maybe able to join the dots ;D


Cheers

Dave