All 400 Affiliates Brands redirecting to RedFlush Casino

[BishamonMedia]

sigh, i really pushed rival on one of my sites and tbh they just dont convert and all of this new info just doesn't bode well for them. The bell has tolled for rival imo.Time to change all of them. What casinos allow usa / Canadian players these days that are recommended (casino coins? / bod og?)

 

[Vladi]

I understand what you are all saying, but I understand Vladi and KK, too.

- it is worth your time/investment to setup geoIP or have someone do this for you. keep the list of countries a brand accepts/rejects up-to-date in OpenX or other banner software.

- on the one hand I see your commission being taken from you. BUT playing devils advocate with Vladi here, you can't expect these groups to be making tools for us all the time when they are already readily available for us to employ ourselves.... and most of us were aware about the Canadian thing with Rival (And I THINK, not positive so don't beat me) that we were alerted via email.

in 2006 when things first got rough it was really nice for the programs to help us out with tools as we grew with the situation... but at this point GEOIP should be part of your arsenal.

we use openX and maxmind geoIP database...

Nailed it in one shot. What I see here is a whole lot of complaining about something that is totally within the control of affiliates. Geotarget your content and your ads and none of this will be a problem.

I would be totally supportive of this if they were doing it with UK or Irish or Greek or Spanish or Australian players, or any other country's players that they could be accepting. But come on, if you're still referring Canadian players to Rival casinos 2 years after they banned them, then you only have yourself to blame.

 

[inspiration]

Nailed it in one shot. What I see here is a whole lot of complaining about something that is totally within the control of affiliates. Geotarget your content and your ads and none of this will be a problem.

I would be totally supportive of this if they were doing it with UK or Irish or Greek or Spanish or Australian players, or any other country's players that they could be accepting. But come on, if you're still referring Canadian players to Rival casinos 2 years after they banned them, then you only have yourself to blame.

You can protect yourself so much with geotargetting your content, banners and links but players still can do a typo if they are not convinced that they can not play there until they find out themselves reading it on the (rival) casino site. I see this a lot. So geotargetting can help but is no real solution for affiliates here.

Let's admit not everybody can do this which means small affiliates get the hammer again. For those (me) it is better to axe the rotten apples.

 

[Guard Dog]

I will have to agree.... AND disagree at the same time Vladi On the one hand, they are well within their rights to market that way given they did notify affiliates (well, I am not sure 400 Affiliates did, but in general Rival overall did notify us) of the closure to Canadian traffic.

On the other hand, they SHOULD have notified affiliates that their traffic for Canadians was about to be forwarded to RedFlush. This should have been a courtesy to their affiliates so that those who are NOT pro-active would have had a wake up call to get their butts moving.

This is common courtesy, IMO. All Affiliate programs should communicate better, but this is one area where (IMO) it is a mandatory thing. If they did that, then this would not be happening.

 

[BishamonMedia]

Andy, with all these changes, what are the best rival to push - sloto and desert nights? Any others?

 

[JSM_Shaun]

Hi everyone,

I just posted this at GPWA and I'll do the same here.

This is an issue that I should have replied to earlier. I apologize for this.

When it comes to our agreement with RedReturns, I want everyone to understand that this was never meant to be a way to cheat affiliates out of money from their Canadian traffic. On the contrary, we assumed that after 2 years being OUT of the Canadian market affiliates would not be sending us Canadian traffic anymore (which is the case for the most part). We do not allow Canadian players so what would the point be? Affiliates would not be making money from these players regardless. I do apologize if it appeared that we were trying to cheat our affiliates in some way but this was not the case at all.

What we do have, (although as this arrangement showed us just how little) is a small number of Canadian players trickling in from organic searches so when we were approached by RedReturns to set up a deal where we forward any Canadians entering our site to a site that does allow Canadian players and earn commission off of them, we saw no down side to it. As it turned out, the amount of traffic that did end up being sent was very small.

The deal ended a while back but I still wanted to address this issue so our affiliates know that we would never attempt to cheat any of you out of commission in any way.

If anyone would like to discuss this further with me I'd be more than happy to chat with you.

You can reach me at any time (for this or any other issue/question you have) at shaun (at) jetsetaffilliates (dot) com or on skype: jetsetshaun.

Shaun

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

Hi everyone,

I just posted this at GPWA and I'll do the same here.

This is an issue that I should have replied to earlier. I apologize for this.

When it comes to our agreement with RedReturns, I want everyone to understand that this was never meant to be a way to cheat affiliates out of money from their Canadian traffic. On the contrary, we assumed that after 2 years being OUT of the Canadian market affiliates would not be sending us Canadian traffic anymore (which is the case for the most part). We do not allow Canadian players so what would the point be? Affiliates would not be making money from these players regardless. I do apologize if it appeared that we were trying to cheat our affiliates in some way but this was not the case at all.

What we do have, (although as this arrangement showed us just how little) is a small number of Canadian players trickling in from organic searches so when we were approached by RedReturns to set up a deal where we forward any Canadians entering our site to a site that does allow Canadian players and earn commission off of them, we saw no down side to it. As it turned out, the amount of traffic that did end up being sent was very small.

The deal ended a while back but I still wanted to address this issue so our affiliates know that we would never attempt to cheat any of you out of commission in any way.

If anyone would like to discuss this further with me I'd be more than happy to chat with you.

You can reach me at any time (for this or any other issue/question you have) at shaun (at) jetsetaffilliates (dot) com or on skype: jetsetshaun.

Shaun

Yea BUT...Why were affiliates not notified that their traffic for Canadians was about to be forwarded to RedFlush?

This should have been a courtesy announcement to your affiliates at the very least to show your professionalism but you failed in that aspect!!

And why were the affiliate sites that the Canadian traffic generated from not credited with any sign-ups or deposits at RedFlush?

You guys really failed big time in this Shaun!

Seriously Shaun, it's no wonder that Rival Casinos have the rep they do after antics like this.

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[JSM_Shaun]

Honestly Guru?

We should have told affiliates, no excuses.

At the time, because we had been out of Canada for so long we didn't even consider the fact that there might be some players here and there still trickling in from affiliates. Affiliates would not have made money from these players anyway, but again, not an excuse and I'll accept the fact that we didn't go about this in the right way. It was not meant to be underhanded at all but you're absolutely right, it was not handled well.

The truth is that VERY little profit came from this partnership. Canadians had always made up only a very small percentage of our traffic and after being out of Canada for so long we got (and get) only small amounts of traffic and an even smaller number of players who actually deposited.

Again, I apologize to affiliates for making this decision without talking to our affiliate partners beforehand. This will not happen again.

Shaun

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

Thanks for your candid and honest response here Shaun, much appreciated.

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[JSM_Shaun]

You're welcome and as I said, any issue at all regarding our brands in the future please feel free to contact me about.

As much as we have made mistakes (as everyone has) we really do care about doing the right thing.

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

You're welcome and as I said, any issue at all regarding our brands in the future please feel free to contact me about.

As much as we have made mistakes (as everyone has) we really do care about doing the right thing.

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[KasinoKing]

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I second everything the Guru said!
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KK

BTW, I saw John Wright skulking around the last few Affiliate Conferences I went to - but I didn't speak to him.
My ASSUMPTION is that he no longer has any ties with any Rival casinos, but I don't know that for a fact.