What's going on?

[sipka]

I am really starting to feel bad because of this CAP-GPWA / CAP-AGD issue, and on top of that the thread what was started by Nandakishore on CAP yesterday has been removed.

I didn't see anything bad in that thread, moreover Stupid/ogpaper wrote a great summary in that thread (and that guy used to have some weird opinions but this time I agreed with lots of points he wrote), and now the discussion has been removed???

What the hell is going on, censorship, "shut-up" environment, "everything is business" attitude.

This is not the CAP I knew!

//The reason I post this here that I'm sure if I have posted it on CAP it would have been removed... Weird... and I feel bad about it...

 

[Guard Dog]

That's very strange I haven't seen that thread at CAP, so I am unsure why it would be removed. What was the discussion about?

Censorship is not what forums are about. We will not do that here. Everyone has a right to their opinions even if that opinion is something like 'AGD sucks big eggs'

 

[sipka]

Nandakishore started a thread with a question about why people were banned from CAP and he quoted the forum rules.

CAP reps answered that it could happen because of online or offline ??? behavior of these said persons.

There were some other questions and opinions about the issue and by today the thread just disappeared.

If I remember right, noone said nothing offensive, just asked about why some people were banned.

Weird.

 

[Led]

Here I am to support Andy and his work!
CAP has shown it's teet again by deleting that thread. Soon, CAP will be reduced to happy birthday prof. and where is the prof threads. One no need to be an Einstein to get it what's CAP all about. It's all about Lou, his ego and his wallet. NOT AT ALL about affiliates. When I started out in this industry, come across CAP first and picked my first few aff. programs from his certified aff. programs list. They've been all the crappest programs of all: CPays, Tradal. Earn United, House Winnings, Gaming Promo and some more not even existing for a long time.
We need an independent organization, like this where we can speak our minds and the prof may only read but can't delete or ban.

 

[MichaelCorfman]

Nandakishore started a thread with a question about why people were banned from CAP and he quoted the forum rules.

CAP reps answered that it could happen because of online or offline ??? behavior of these said persons.

There were some other questions and opinions about the issue and by today the thread just disappeared.

If I remember right, noone said nothing offensive, just asked about why some people were banned.

Weird.

My personal guess as to why the thread was removed is because the responses that CAP management made were painting them into a corner where they would have to publicly contradict themselves. They said in the thread that there was a legitimate reason that I was banned, and invited folks to inquire in private with a pm if they wanted to know the reason, but that they didn't feel it was appropriate to post the reason in public.

I nice political sound bite, but it created a situation where they had stated they would agree to provide the reason to anyone that asked in a pm. A big mistake since I'm not aware of any legitimate reason they could provide for banning me based on their code of conduct. Certainly they have never provided me with any legitimate rationale for the bans they put in place for any GPWA staff.

I can't say that I blame CAP for not wanting to let the contradictions that were going to ensue in the thread based on their responses unfold within their own forum. I don't think it would have been very pretty, and I think they made a decision that it would be better to take some heat in other forums for the action of removing the thread than to be exposed to the criticism that I believe would have appropriately ensued if they let the thread run its course for all CAP members to see.

 

[Daera]

Here I am to support Andy and his work!
CAP has shown it's teet again by deleting that thread. Soon, CAP will be reduced to happy birthday prof. and where is the prof threads. One no need to be an Einstein to get it what's CAP all about. It's all about Lou, his ego and his wallet. NOT AT ALL about affiliates. When I started out in this industry, come across CAP first and picked my first few aff. programs from his certified aff. programs list. They've been all the crappest programs of all: CPays, Tradal. Earn United, House Winnings, Gaming Promo and some more not even existing for a long time.
We need an independent organization, like this where we can speak our minds and the prof may only read but can't delete or ban.

I'm also here to support you Andy. I feel really bad about the way you've been treated at CAP and think you deserved a lot better.

If I can help in any way, please let me know.

 

[casinobonusguy]

I am here , not really have much to say but just don't want to be accused as a lurker lol.I like the live events too much to get banned ,weird how offline everyoen is much more civilized lol

 

[Guard Dog]

Thanks for the support everyone.

Interesting analysis, Michael. I wish I would have seen the thread, but I have been limiting my exposure to CAP in recent days. So, unfortunately I was unable to see the thread. I wonder if there is a google cache of it anywhere? Anyone know how to find that?

Regardless, I think CAP is in a very political situation of their own making at the moment. On the one hand they are supposed to be there to protect affiliates. On the other, they have stole from an affiliate who not only supplied excellent content for their forum (if I do say so myself), but also wrote over 3000 posts (if I recall correctly). It is a very sticky situation and one that doesn't lend itself well to 'political statements'.

I wish them well, but I am as yet concerned that every idea I have will be stolen and I do not appreciate that. I may have to look into patents, which cost money, in order to keep my applications from being copied. I really wish there were more ethics laws

 

[casinobonusguy]

Patents on names are not very expensive but on things that need drawings etc it can be expensive.We had our own situations about 18 months ago with an affiliate who copied our layouts ,concepts ,keywords etc on a site we own.THis guy was ridiculous to the point if we put up a new casino ,within a week he had them up too.Finally we started some new websites and bought older sites and felt we had to keep the fact we own them a secret or he would rip them too. He knows who he is and is probably reading this lol,this all started when an affiliate manager told the guy what we made with them per month and i guess he wanted to copy our success and thought the way to do it was via google and our keywords.

 

[Daera]

Patents on names are not very expensive but on things that need drawings etc it can be expensive.We had our own situations about 18 months ago with an affiliate who copied our layouts ,concepts ,keywords etc on a site we own.THis guy was ridiculous to the point if we put up a new casino ,within a week he had them up too.Finally we started some new websites and bought older sites and felt we had to keep the fact we own them a secret or he would rip them too. He knows who he is and is probably reading this lol,this all started when an affiliate manager told the guy what we made with them per month and i guess he wanted to copy our success and thought the way to do it was via google and our keywords.

Yeah, they say it's supposed to be a compliment. Being copied means you're doing things really well. It doesn't feel very flattering though.

 

[Engineer]

this all started when an affiliate manager told the guy what we made with them per month

I don't mean to derail the thread, but -- wow. How tacky and unprofessional.

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[casinobonusguy]

Yes it is .I guess he had one too many beer.

 

[Janet]

I don't mean to derail the thread, but -- wow. How tacky and unprofessional.

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Happens more often than you know.

 

[casinobonusguy]

That's true , i know from my own experiences I have had managers talk about others and what they make for them ,how many players they send etc.I am lucky that i have close relationships with a few of them ,some have even been to my home .I know sometimes after few drinks we may strike up a conversation where i ask questions i shouldn't

 

[Guard Dog]

I have even talked with a VERY prominent and well-liked affiliate manager who told me I should create a site like another affiliate because they were cleaning up on that site.

Not kidding. I would say the AM's name because I don't feel it is right to do so, but you would be VERY surprised.

I think it happens all the time in the name of helping affiliates do well in the industry to be honest. What crosses the line is when direct numbers are involved or the affiliate goes beyond the call of duty and copies the website without creating their own 'twist' on things.

It's very dicey, IMO.

 

[Led]

I've never been on such good terms with any affiliate manager. In fact I never got any help from any of them...only requests for better placement and lies about bad conversions, disappearing players, inconsisient stats...etc.