Wagershare Makes Several Predatory Moves & Has Become A Rogue Operation!!

[itsblitz]

My 2 Cents
WagerSHARE or WagerSHAFT?

 

[PedroM]

wagershare is a well know "shaving operation".

I stop to promoting these brands on the 2nd "profitable costumer" mysteriously locked. Furthermore, wagershare market affiliate costumers with sister brands.

Example, affiliates refer a costumer, wagershare instead of marketing that costumer with the brand affiliate refer send mail letters just to have costumers signing on sister casinos and steal affiliates.

Need to say more?

 

[bonustreak]

itsblitz that is a great page!!! It seems that Wagershare is well aware of these threads on forums but they don't seem to care the least bit! I think we all need to take all their properties off our sites and make a blacklist link up ring (will this be effective now with the new Google Panda crap?) we took down Grand Prive back in the day by all sticking together so we can do it again!! I plan to find them at the BAC conference and give them my 2 cents worth!

 

[inspiration]

Too bad all of this ...... wondering what brands to promote as almost all do cross promote or shave or even do both.

with wagershare I do not see an increase in profits IMO the players base must be affected. Besides that revenue per player almost droppped to nothing.

FYI : casino rewards is sending players untagged emails.

Rewards Affiliates Shaving with Cross Promotion | Rogue Casino Programs

 

[inspiration]

ok I have finished the story about wagershare and posted it :

Wagershare Warning – Shaving Affiliates with Locked Player Accounts ? | Rogue Casino Programs

I hope it will not give me a lot of trouble LOL

 

[bonustreak]

We will make a page asap! Also I just had a friend alert me to the fact he has not been paid for the last 3 months when he confronted them over this he was told it is because he has not brought in a new player so it seems they are making predatory retroactive changes to the terms! He signed up as an affiliate over 3 yrs ago and trust me that rule was NOT in there then so we are checking on when they slipped this in under all our radars!

 

[KasinoKing]

I think we all need to take all their properties off our sites and make a blacklist link up ring...

I took the decision to drop WagerShare from my sites yesterday (done KK - others will be done on next update).
It is a great shame, because I used to love them as a player and I do make a little bit with them most months, but there are just too many pointers to them having a "rogue" affiliate program - which could be WHY I only get a LITTLE bit of income...

A possible relevant incident: A few months back I checked and recorded my stats on the 1st of the month - but when it came to pay-day ALL the figures were reduced to 1/3 of what they were. I did ask WS about this - and they said it was just a one-off glitch... but was it?
Maybe the "glitch" was them letting me see the real figures on that day...

The other thing is their virulent spamming - which they are obviously doing themselves, or strongly condoning.
Seems they don't want affiliates to help promote them - so I am helping them get their wish!

KK

 

[Guard Dog]

They are a rogue outfit... no 2 ways about it. They did move their T&C's to a new location and the spider missed it. So - there will be an update to Wagershare today (i.e., Terms Alert) which shows their retroactive term change(s).

 

[CygX1]

Glad to see this operation getting their due credits. What a lousy way of business.

 

[bonustreak]

Our page is made please add it to yours itsblitz & Inspiration. Anyone that wants to get in on the link ring please pm me asap once you have added our link so I can add you to our page.
Wagershare BLACKLISTED!

 

[cassaon888]

I took the decision to drop WagerShare from my sites yesterday (done KK - others will be done on next update).
It is a great shame, because I used to love them as a player and I do make a little bit with them most months, but there are just too many pointers to them having a "rogue" affiliate program - which could be WHY I only get a LITTLE bit of income...

A possible relevant incident: A few months back I checked and recorded my stats on the 1st of the month - but when it came to pay-day ALL the figures were reduced to 1/3 of what they were. I did ask WS about this - and they said it was just a one-off glitch... but was it?
Maybe the "glitch" was them letting me see the real figures on that day...

The other thing is their virulent spamming - which they are obviously doing themselves, or strongly condoning.
Seems they don't want affiliates to help promote them - so I am helping them get their wish!

KK

I started a thread over at GPWA a couple of months ago pointing this out and received very little response so I left it. I reckon this program has been shaving affiliates a lot of late and deserve to be rogued. We'll remove them from our sites asap. Really a pity since they were one of our top Microgaming programs at one stage.

 

[Ukjeff]

I took the decision to drop WagerShare from my sites yesterday (done KK - others will be done on next update).
It is a great shame, because I used to love them as a player and I do make a little bit with them most months, but there are just too many pointers to them having a "rogue" affiliate program - which could be WHY I only get a LITTLE bit of income...

A possible relevant incident: A few months back I checked and recorded my stats on the 1st of the month - but when it came to pay-day ALL the figures were reduced to 1/3 of what they were. I did ask WS about this - and they said it was just a one-off glitch... but was it?
Maybe the "glitch" was them letting me see the real figures on that day...

The other thing is their virulent spamming - which they are obviously doing themselves, or strongly condoning.
Seems they don't want affiliates to help promote them - so I am helping them get their wish!

KK

I think you have nailed this on the head KK, you were not the only one to see these amazing 300% figures. How could a system "gliche" this very round figure of x 3. Looks like we caught a glimpse of what the real earnings should be. I suppose they need to track what they shave so this makes sense to setup there system like this. Someone must have made a little boo boo at Wagershare to allow us to see this.
On another note; if a player removes the software from there PC once it's removed the browser will then open and take the user to the palace group home page. They then try and sell another casino brand or at least get there email address if they have not registered. All obviously - you guessed it ! untagged....

 

[cassaon888]

I reckon our chances of success have become a lot more difficult, especially if one takes into account affiliate programs that shave not to mention G on the other hand. It's really unfair towards us as affiliates we do all the leg work and yet after a couple of years programs start mucking us around. The question is how do we stop this from happening? It's easy to stop marketing the program but the damage has already been done. They steal our players and simply walk away...

 

[Webzcas]

I first had issue with Wagershare back in the summer of 2010, when I noticed every month my valuable players would amazingly self exclude. Seems now this has become the norm with all their affiliates.

Also in addition Tim Whyles and Brian S have been pretty much unreachable when back in the day they used to make themselves available to all affiliates, regardless of size.

Can I sum up Wagershare in three words? Sure!

Arrogant, unfriendly, rogue.

 

[inspiration]

I first had issue with Wagershare back in the summer of 2010, when I noticed every month my valuable players would amazingly self exclude. Seems now this has become the norm with all their affiliates.

Also in addition Tim Whyles and Brian S have been pretty much unreachable when back in the day they used to make themselves available to all affiliates, regardless of size.

Can I sum up Wagershare in three words? Sure!

Arrogant, unfriendly, rogue.

1. ......... I have a problem with us making assumptions ....... because we see locked accounts we assume they are shaving us.......anyone ever did an audit ?? a closed account will not be an earner for them too.

2. "when a player deletes all from his pc he will get a listing of the Palace Group". So tell me what is different from Rewards and other groups doing this (amongst other untagged cross promotional activities) too ?

3. Wagershare keeps the info of withheld earnings on record for you to see, have not seen this yet with other programs.

4. my affiliate manager is not unfriendly nor arrogant and always around, I get almost instant replies.


I am not particularly a big fan of wagershare but if I would listen to all the bad news out there I 'd better walk away from this biz.



About reviewing T&C's back in 2004 they already had a quota, just saying!

"WagerShare will only make payments to active affiliates; an active affiliate account is defined as an account which has generated a minimum of 1 new paying customer for the casino clients of WagerShare within a 3 month period. If an account does not meet these requirements, at the sole discretion of WagerShare management, future commission payments may be withheld."

The 10% rev. share for not delivering 1 depositing player within 3 months is applying for new accounts, IMO this is not implemented rectroactively.

I feel our judgements are not all based on facts and implying the worst possible review for the program.


// This is not against you Webzcas //

 

[bonustreak]

I am confused Inspiration if you think we are all wrong here why did you make that page about Wagershare?(also we have linked to your page but not to ours we will remove your link in 24hrs if it is not reciprocated ). I believe Andy can show that rule was not in the terms back in 2011( before they changed over to the new program).

 

[inspiration]

I made that page because it felt right at that moment cuz everybody I talked too was negative about them and ofcourse the amended T&Cs. Let's say I was lead by others having the same : high number of locked player accounts. I will review it after a while when we see more about this topic.

The snippet I used for the T&Cs 2004 is live here under point 4 :
xxhttp://web.archive.org/web/20040429072131/http://www.wagershare.com/terms.asp

I am not sure every angle has been reviewed nor if there is prove they have stolen players from us. I am not saying you are wrong but when convicted there needs to be some solid evidence and I just do not feel there is enough to tar and feather them with.

I only link to affiliate program sites / forums that have the same topics not portals in order to keep the site clean (sorry).

 

[Guard Dog]

Inspiration is correct. The Minimum Player rule has been there for a long time. They haven't enforced it (at least from what I have heard) ever - but we marked them as predatory for having it. They are Rogue for enforcing it and for other reasons relating to affiliate accounts that we have been privy to.

They do:

* Lock more player accounts than anyone in the industry
* Exclude High Rollers when they win, but you have to stay on top of them to get the players back in your account (happened to many)


Just a poor organization these days, IMO.

 

[inspiration]

They do:

* 1. Lock more player accounts than anyone in the industry
* 2. Exclude High Rollers when they win, but you have to stay on top of them to get the players back in your account (happened to many)

1. Do other programs provide this information ? / do they just happen to have more players / affiliates ? Just a comparison.
2. They have a high roller report available, should not be that difficult now.

In other words yes and no ...... you see what I am trying to say ?