Player Protection Petition: PLEASE SIGN!!

[Casino-Matt]

Hey guys,

We are campaigning for more player protection and really need as many supporters as possible.

http://player-protection.com/

We have had some great feedback from some of the operators as well as from GambleAware.

I will be updating the article with details from the UK gaming commission who are making positive steps forward but far more needs to be done outside of this.

So please have a read, please sign the petition and if you have the chance please spread the word on your social media or forums. Only with proper backing can we make a difference so we need your help.

Thanks for your time.

Matt

 

[RyanWeb]

Signed

 

[inspiration]

First you have a slots guide motivating people to play at online casinos and then you want to stop them. Makes no sense to me.
If players choose to play casino games better inform them about the risks of online gambling and how to use a casino strategy for deposits.

 

[Casino-Matt]

First you have a slots guide motivating people to play at online casinos and then you want to stop them. Makes no sense to me.
If players choose to play casino games better inform them about the risks of online gambling and how to use a casino strategy for deposits.

The addiction section on the site is something we are working on very carefully and something that is a top priority but has to be handled with care.

Surely every single affiliate and every single casino has a duty to promote responsible gambling. I know that the majority of affiliates don't pay any attention to this side other than the obligatory responsible gambling banner or link, but we do not want to be one of them.

Players will gamble and players will google for review, strategy or bonus sites. Much better they find a site which also actively promotes responsible gambling rather than one of the thousands who spout a bunch of lies or that advertise rogues.

We are in an at times horrible industry so what little we can contribute to making it better has to be worthwhile. Casinomeister is one of the biggest names in the affiliate industry but he has a quitting gambling section. There are plenty of others featuring help sections, it is just unfortunate they are in the minoroty.

 

[Bonus Paradise]

Surely every single affiliate and every single casino has a duty to promote responsible gambling. I know that the majority of affiliates don't pay any attention to this side other than the obligatory responsible gambling banner or link, but we do not want to be one of them.

This is not true, I do see more and more affiliate websites with 18+ signs and good information about responsible gambling etc.
Also we have discussions with members about this, with some of our members we have had private contact to make sure they know what they do. We sent them useful links and information. Many Affiliates do care and many online casinos do as well.

I will not sign such a petition.
First of all are we all not already being controlled enough?
Then imagine, a player drinks a bit, gambles, looses, is pissed and due he drank a bit, he fills out this form easy, not really being aware of what he is doing.
Later on he finds himself locked out at all online casinos, and he did not want that.
Maybe he did also not read good through all in this form, we all know, people DO NOT READ ALL. Same counts for reading terms etc ........

Come on, what is next in this world? A petition that alcoholics can request a tatoo on their forehead to make sure no store sells them alcohol?

 

[Bonus Paradise]

Also we have discussions with members about this, with some of our members we have had private contact to make sure they know what they do. We sent them useful links and information. Many Affiliates do care and many online casinos do as well.

I also want to add, that it may be problematic for some sites to have problem gambling discussed much on their site.
It could turn out, that you get more and more people with gambling problems to your site seeking for help, now ....... then you will soon not earn money anymore as gambling affiliate.
Guess then you better make a website especially to help problem gamblers.

 

[Casino-Matt]

This is not true, I do see more and more affiliate websites with 18+ signs and good information about responsible gambling etc.
Also we have discussions with members about this, with some of our members we have had private contact to make sure they know what they do. We sent them useful links and information. Many Affiliates do care and many online casinos do as well.

I will not sign such a petition.
First of all are we all not already being controlled enough?
Then imagine, a player drinks a bit, gambles, looses, is pissed and due he drank a bit, he fills out this form easy, not really being aware of what he is doing.
Later on he finds himself locked out at all online casinos, and he did not want that.
Maybe he did also not read good through all in this form, we all know, people DO NOT READ ALL. Same counts for reading terms etc ........

Come on, what is next in this world? A petition that alcoholics can request a tatoo on their forehead to make sure no store sells them alcohol?

If a player signs such a form no matter how drunk... that is enough sign to me that he did the right thing and needed help.

I also want to add, that it may be problematic for some sites to have problem gambling discussed much on their site.
It could turn out, that you get more and more people with gambling problems to your site seeking for help, now ....... then you will soon not earn money anymore as gambling affiliate.
Guess then you better make a website especially to help problem gamblers.

So let's say my site only gets problem gamblers looking for help. They never register to any casino and I never earn any income from the site. That would mean I have to cover all the running costs myself.
Then in that situation I would be very happy. I have a full time job so if it costs me xx euros a month to help hundreds of addicts then fantastic.

Not every affiliate starts a website due to their own selfish greed you know. Some of us started because we were pissed off at the number of absolutely terrible websites out there with zero regard for player safety.

 

[Casino-Matt]

Oh and one last thing BP, Thankfully the UK regulators are also of the same mindset as us with this proposal. You will be seeing a big change in 2017.
I will be updating the petition page later with the information that GambleAware has given us.

 

[Bonus Paradise]

If a player signs such a form no matter how drunk... that is enough sign to me that he did the right thing and needed help.

I cannot agree with this.
Maybe it would be an idea, to give people who submit such a form like 3 days time to confirm their decision.


Well, I dont want to continue this discussion ...... I find this a bit a harsh statement ...

Not every affiliate starts a website due to their own selfish greed you know. Some of us started because we were pissed off at the number of absolutely terrible websites out there with zero regard for player safety.

I hope you do not attack me or some others personally here?

 

[Bonus Paradise]

So let's say my site only gets problem gamblers looking for help. They never register to any casino and I never earn any income from the site. That would mean I have to cover all the running costs myself.
Then in that situation I would be very happy. I have a full time job so if it costs me xx euros a month to help hundreds of addicts then fantastic.

Thanks god there are selfless people like you in this world, and now I really dont say a word anymore here.

 

[Guard Dog]

ok, I'm not sure what is going on here... but I don't want the thread to get out of hand or personal. Keep it together folks Read our terms once: https://www.affiliateguarddog.com/community/br-rules/show. Then relax and post Keep it light please.

 

[frankcolt]

send you problem gambler to my websites please

 

[Casino-Matt]

send you problem gambler to my websites please

Do you run a counseling service or something of that ilk?

Please PM me with your websites address.

 

[frankcolt]

NO I want them to signup to play at my advertised casinos

 

[roey]

GambleAware and GamCare are on all of my sites, I dont want peoples lives ruined for my short term gains, but a drunk flutter is always welcome

 

[inspiration]

Oh and one last thing BP, Thankfully the UK regulators are also of the same mindset as us with this proposal. You will be seeing a big change in 2017.
I will be updating the petition page later with the information that GambleAware has given us.

The UK regulators could care less about problem gamblers and I very much doubt they will ever contact you unless you give them money for a license to operate a casino.

There are so many online casinos so why not stop issuing licenses ? Answer : greed.

OK maybe you will save 50-100 players for a few weeks and then they start playing again what are you going to do, provide them a sanctuary?

If they can not control their behaviour self exclusion provided by an operator is not the answer and you can not block the money flow as payment processors have been built for just that.

Besides that you possibly can not mediate in each and every situation they end up in.

What a lot of them will do is join forums and start complaining there about each and every site.

The only one that is raking the revenue of these folks is e.g. Casinomeister as he has his email addresses to send them to the next surprise casino announcements and clicks on his banners, do not you think I and many others that have been in this venue do not know how this game has been played ?

Get over it and teach players how to have fun with an affordable budget or links to places to seek for help if necessary.

You have given the UK operators a great idea : Hi Matt sorry no revenue for you this month all you players have self-excluded and most likely you bad deposits and chargebacks for the rest of this year.

 

[Casino-Matt]

I have added a link to the UKGC's proposals. It is a long read but skimming it should be interesting for all of you, whether you back our initiative or not.

If it comes to fruition in 2017 then it will have an impact on your UK readers.

I understand very well how this industry works and that the big affiliates will continue to rake in the punters.

We have chosen to try and do something to help players. This petition is just the start of it. If we can srop just one single player from destroying his/her life and that of those around them then all rhe time and hard work will have been worthwhile.

We apreciate all the support that has already been shown, on here, gpwa, email and skype. Thank you all.

 

[inspiration]

If you do not like being an affiliate stop promotion casinos I was told years before I hade the same idea together with BB1WEBS.

Besides that I will never sign a petition from a competitor gambling site

Just read what BonusParadise mentioned : start a new site without gambling banners/links.

Any other way is just a self promotion of your money site.

 

[TheGooner]

It's a nice idea - and I applaud the altruistic nature - and thinking of helping to remove problem gamblers from the eco-system.
However, collecting names and emails for 50, 100, 1000, or even 10,000 random people will do nothing. It's not helping at all.

Hosting a page on a gambling affiliate site is fairly counter-intuitive - and is clearly a case of a site pulling in two different directions.
- Helping problem gamblers by getting the to professional groups is good.
- But as an Affiliate you are hoping to catch "a whale" - and that means a big spender / loser which is just another name for a potential problem gambler.
- Running a list of names and emails? Meh.

As for the "holier-than-thou" approach of ...
"Not every affiliate starts a website due to their own selfish greed you know.
Some of us started because we were pissed off at the number of absolutely terrible websites out there with zero regard for player safety."

A text-book example of how NOT to win friends and influence people.
I assume you realise that now that you re-read it.

 

[Casino-Matt]

Some valid points raised regarding the petition being hosted where there are affiliate links.

I managed to remove the side bar from the page but couldnt work out the css to remove the menus and logo.

So yes, copying the petition over to a blank website is indeed a very good idea. That will certainly improve credibility. Bit of a ball ache but doable. Stay tuned!