My Good Rival Casino List?

[Rhondagrace]

Hi Everyone, I wanted to ask your opinion on my NEW Rival list. I only want to promote Rivals that are being fair to players and affiliates. these are the Rival casinos I'm focused on pushing the hardest.

SlotoCash

Box24 Casino Black Diamond

BetUS Casino

Slots of Fortune

These casino above I am definitely going to continue to promote
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and from my reading here at AGD These White Labels below are safe to promote.

WHITE LABEL Rival Casinos

Will not charge affiliates for: Progressive Contributions, Processor

Confiscations

Planet23 Casino

Spintime Partners

Vegas Regal don't really promote to much, high playthroughs on deposit bonuses with max cashouts--sucks, have made nothing from them anyway.
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I have Been promoting Sahara Sands, not sure if they are white label or not.
also, what's up with Orange Gamez? are they non white label? or white label. dose anyone know what they stand on the progressive contributions issue.

I also see maxcashouts on there deposit bonuses. (Total turn off)

My DO NOT PROMOTE LIST

Ruby Royal Affiliates - Ruby Royal
Slot Power, Vanguard
iGaming.Pro - Tradition Casino
Royal Apollo Affiliates - Royal Apollo Casino
Superiorshare - Superior Casino
Rockbet, Vegas Days, Slots Jackpot This is Vegas
400 Affiliates - This is Vegas Davinci's Gold
Bet821 Poker Affiliates - Bet821 Casino
Dendera Affiliates - Dendera Casino
Fortune Reel Affiliates - Fortune Reel Casino-Vip Casino Club
iGaming Profits - Irish Luck Casino
LionSlots Affiliates - LionSlots Casino
Max RevShare - Club Vegas USA
Simon Says Affiliates - Simon Says
Tropica Affiliates - Tropica Casino
Vegas Sky Affiliates - Vegas Sky


is there anyone that you think should be on or off either of my lists? all of your opinions and Comments are all very Important to me.

Thanks

 

[Rhondagrace]

I cant Believe you guys have nothing to say? no comment or opinions

 

[inspiration]

Well to be honest I do not give a damn about the list itself I am more worried about the ZERO new conversions and the worst player retention lately - except for 1 higroller I make about 300 total at the most for all rivals.......I do not know what happened but something is not right here at all.

 

[KasinoKing]

I cant Believe you guys have nothing to say? no comment or opinions

Apathy rules! ... I suppose ... not really bothered.

It's very sad to see, but only a handful of affiliates appear to give a damn about anything
Even worse, the ones running sites which are supposed to support fair play and lead by example are just the same.
e.g. More than a MONTH after iGamingPro ADMITTED they had done an major dirty on affiliates they are STILL listed as sponsors of GPWA (and my multiple posts have just been ignored).
And they're still not rogued here either despite their last outrageous outburst.

I've got to be honest, I'm seriously thinking of not even bothering to contribute to these affiliate forums any more - I mean, what's the point?

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PS: Which Rivals you promote is your business. The only 2 on your "NO GO" list which are also on mine are:-
iGaming.Pro - Tradition Casino - Due to being Royally screwed by them - and not even a kiss!
Bet821 Poker Affiliates - Bet821 Casino - Do they even use affiliates ???

I'm considering my future with this one:
Fortune Reel Affiliates - Fortune Reel Casino - Vip Casino Club - What's the deal with VIP - are they STEALING our players from Fortune Reel?

KK

 

[Rhondagrace]

aha I see... your just worried about your Conversions and pocket. who gives a F*ck about my list! if there cheating you then why are you still promoting these rivals? if your not getting any conversions..then why are they still on your sites... and I'm not picking on you, I have been looking at some of the most active affiliates here at AGD and no one has removed any white label casinos that are implementing progressive contributions or have not responded to the issues that Andy has brought up.....so when it comes down to the nitty gritty, money rules, even if it's dirty money.

Well to be honest I do not give a damn about the list itself I am more worried about the ZERO new conversions and the worst player retention lately - except for 1 higroller I make about 300 total at the most for all rivals.......I do not know what happened but something is not right here at all.

 

[Rhondagrace]

Apathy rules! ... I suppose ... not really bothered.

It's very sad to see, but only a handful of affiliates appear to give a damn about anything
Even worse, the ones running sites which are supposed to support fair play and lead by example are just the same.
e.g. More than a MONTH after iGamingPro ADMITTED they had done an major dirty on affiliates they are STILL listed as sponsors of GPWA (and my multiple posts have just been ignored).
And they're still not rogued here either despite their last outrageous outburst.

I've got to be honest, I'm seriously thinking of not even bothering to contribute to these affiliate forums any more - I mean, what's the point?
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KK

Hi KK,

I Agree, I don't know what I was thinking when I made this list..


"Silence Speaks Louder Than Words"

 

[Guard Dog]

I cant Believe you guys have nothing to say? no comment or opinions

Sorry I have not commented... It's all I can do just to exist with the new (and very colicky) baby.

I must have missed the thread at some point, so I am glad you bumped it up. Your list is pretty much as expected for me. I don't think that white labels are a 'no go' to promote, I just think that you have to weigh their decision to change their calculations versus their ability to convert.

Some are worth promoting due to their conversion-factor. But - i will speak more about that when I respond to another post in this thread.

 

[Guard Dog]

Apathy rules! ... I suppose ... not really bothered.

It's very sad to see, but only a handful of affiliates appear to give a damn about anything
Even worse, the ones running sites which are supposed to support fair play and lead by example are just the same.
e.g. More than a MONTH after iGamingPro ADMITTED they had done an major dirty on affiliates they are STILL listed as sponsors of GPWA (and my multiple posts have just been ignored).
And they're still not rogued here either despite their last outrageous outburst.

I've got to be honest, I'm seriously thinking of not even bothering to contribute to these affiliate forums any more - I mean, what's the point?

I always give a damn and try my hardest to show that.

iGaming.Pro - They made a mistake with the NCO in the FAQ in the first place, IMO. And Eva let her temper get the best of her. There is a lanugage barrier here too, since they are French speaking.

Here is how much I care about the issue, though.... I took hours out of my day (which is very tough to do these days) to 'root into' their server. This means that I had access to their files and folders and timestamps. It was clear that the FAQ was changed, but they admitted to such. It was also clear that nothing else was changed on the server.

Their tech person is a very knowledgeable programmer who gave me access and gave me details that proved to me his honesty/sincerity.

Again - I believe (*me* - my belief) is that they made a mistake.

I'm sorry you (KasinoKing) feel that you may no longer want to participate here It makes me a bit sad that you feel this way since I have 'known' you (in the internet sense of that word) since the slots contest days of SlotsOnFire.com.

I hope you reconsider because I think we do try our best here to do the right thing and not the easy money thing.

 

[Guard Dog]

aha I see... your just worried about your Conversions and pocket. who gives a F*ck about my list! if there cheating you then why are you still promoting these rivals? if your not getting any conversions..then why are they still on your sites... and I'm not picking on you, I have been looking at some of the most active affiliates here at AGD and no one has removed any white label casinos that are implementing progressive contributions or have not responded to the issues that Andy has brought up.....so when it comes down to the nitty gritty, money rules, even if it's dirty money.

I think that is a bit overboard. Inspiration is mainly saying that there is a HUGE conversion issue with Rivals. And a HUGE 'new player' issue with Rivals. Personally, I would take this as a warning instead of an affront to your post.

I used to make a LOT with Rival. I still send the same traffic as I always have. However - I get about 1 conversion per month now when I used to get many, many, many more.

The new player conversions are HORRIBLE. The funny thing is this.... the only time (in the last 3 months) that I have gotten GREAT conversions on my Rival site... Is when I put a Rival Warning up and listed All Star Slots at the topmost position. For that month, I made more with All Star Slots than I did from ALL my Rivals put together (and, yes, that includes players that were already playing).

Rival has problems..... they just will not admit it. I believe it to be processing issues, but who knows.

 

[inspiration]

so when it comes down to the nitty gritty, money rules, even if it's dirty money

Well most are platinum sponsors here........

If you refer to the fact that I have listed most of your do not promote list, there is just a simple answer : most are older programs......and I am COMPLETELY lost what to do with all those rivals ...... at this moment I am a sitting duck .......... Besides that I am disgusted how most affiliate program treat their affiliates .....most have not got a clue what they are doing to their partners or their longterm goals.........

Maybe next month will be better but I do not count on it really as this market has become very saturated and highly competitive.

I have those rivals listed on several sites so it is not an easy job to replace all moreover tomorrow it can be totally different maybe another one decides to screw us.

I had good hopes 400affiliates would be my partner for the long term but at this moment I am thinking about to drop all rivals......but than I have less options for US players........and all the thinking starts over again.......sigh.

I think Andy feels the same way.

 

[inspiration]

Rival has problems..... they just will not admit it. I believe it to be processing issues, but who knows.

I have no doubt about that as players still show up as "last seen on xx-xx-xxxx" but can not deposit.

 

[inspiration]

Well I listed 400aff because a lot of members here were very happy.

I did not know about those deductions but onthe other hand you can ask yourself if I had to choose negative carryover or this and you know my answer.

I just want programs that I do not have to worry about.........but things have changed.

On the other hand if we can not earn a buck they can not either as long as they have not solved the processor issues (if that is the reason why we all see a huge drop in earnings).

So should we all give up now? Difficult to answer.....but at some time the sympathy stops and there is no way back............

 

[Engineer]

Drama queens (and Kings)... LOL. Come on, it's been less than 24 hours -- we don't all sit here on a Sunday evening and jump on new threads as soon as they appear. (I don't, anyway.)

My advice to Rhonda and anyone else who cares to listen, is to NOT promote new Rival casinos until they've been in business for at least one year. If you're comfortable sending players to an unknown quantity, fine, but I personally think it's too much of a risk. New programs don't know how to convert and retain your traffic as well as older programs, and quite a few new programs go out of business during the first year.

Sloto'Cash is a good, safe choice. It's the only Rival I continue to promote. People say Box24 is good, but I feel that they are too new to trust at this point.

So -- I think your list is decent, but I wouldn't bother considering any of the new programs.

 

[Rhondagrace]

Drama queens (and Kings)... LOL. Come on, it's been less than 24 hours -- we don't all sit here on a Sunday evening and jump on new threads as soon as they appear. (I don't, anyway.)

My advice to Rhonda and anyone else who cares to listen, is to NOT promote new Rival casinos until they've been in business for at least one year. If you're comfortable sending players to an unknown quantity, fine, but I personally think it's too much of a risk. New programs don't know how to convert and retain your traffic as well as older programs, and quite a few new programs go out of business during the first year.

Sloto'Cash is a good, safe choice. It's the only Rival I continue to promote. People say Box24 is good, but I feel that they are too new to trust at this point.

So -- I think your list is decent, but I wouldn't bother considering any of the new programs.

Hi Engineer,

Thank you for your imput...I agree it's hard to pick and choose who to continue to promote and who not to.

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Rival has problems..... they just will not admit it. I believe it to be processing issues, but who knows.

I have no doubt about that as players still show up as "last seen on xx-xx-xxxx" but can not deposit.

I also noticed this to in my stats, makes you go Humm....
I've also been personally affected by deposit methods, as a player my only option is QT or gift cards, if I want to play so this could be a reason for a drop and player conversions? maybe? who the hell knows... I know I don't

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

To be brutally honest Rhonda, I really don't think there is such a thing any longer as "a good" Rival list...hate to say that but considering the way my stats and conversions at all of them look for the last two months, there isn't much any other way IMO to see it at the moment. It's sad really, they came out of the gate strong but just seemed to fizzle out down the stretch with and after all of the bad press of late...
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[greek39]

Hi Rhondagrace,

In regards to your do not promote list mirrors my own. Rivals IMO are a tough sell for myself and players. I always try and shoot for something a little more concrete and Rivals is not one of them. I stick with two brands SlotoCash and SuperiorShare. Superior Share is on their way out. Not bad when I first started with them regular returning players etc.. Now for the past year nothing I mean nothing.

So like in the past I usual dump the program and hand these accounts over for free to someone else. First come first serve not sure what my player base is like haven't checked in a while.

Is Rival good? A good debatable question. Maybe in the very short run six months max then ditch them IMO. Most Rivals appear to follow the rule as well. The appear very unstable and lack any really business plan. For these reasons and more promoting Rivals is a huge risk not worth taking.

greek39

 

[Rhondagrace]

Hi Rhondagrace,

In regards to your do not promote list mirrors my own. Rivals IMO are a tough sell for myself and players. I always try and shoot for something a little more concrete and Rivals is not one of them. I stick with two brands SlotoCash and SuperiorShare. Superior Share is on their way out. Not bad when I first started with them regular returning players etc.. Now for the past year nothing I mean nothing.

So like in the past I usual dump the program and hand these accounts over for free to someone else. First come first serve not sure what my player base is like haven't checked in a while.

Is Rival good? A good debatable question. Maybe in the very short run six months max then ditch them IMO. Most Rivals appear to follow the rule as well. The appear very unstable and lack any really business plan. For these reasons and more promoting Rivals is a huge risk not worth taking.

greek39

Hi Greek,

I understand promoting rivals is a huge risk, but, then again we are all just "Gambling here" no pun intended. I just hate to drop rival considering there really isn't much options for US Players, except rival, rtg and Vegas Tech. so the title of this thread should be " what rivals should I take a chance on continuing to promote"

 

[KasinoKing]

iGaming.Pro - They made a mistake with the NCO in the FAQ in the first place, IMO. And Eva let her temper get the best of her. There is a lanugage barrier here too, since they are French speaking.

Here is how much I care about the issue, though.... I took hours out of my day (which is very tough to do these days) to 'root into' their server. This means that I had access to their files and folders and timestamps. It was clear that the FAQ was changed, but they admitted to such. It was also clear that nothing else was changed on the server.

Their tech person is a very knowledgeable programmer who gave me access and gave me details that proved to me his honesty/sincerity.

Again - I believe (*me* - my belief) is that they made a mistake.

I'm sorry you (KasinoKing) feel that you may no longer want to participate here It makes me a bit sad that you feel this way since I have 'known' you (in the internet sense of that word) since the slots contest days of SlotsOnFire.com.

I hope you reconsider because I think we do try our best here to do the right thing and not the easy money thing.

I 1000% agree - what iGamingPro did was DEFINITELY a mistake.
I don't have any problem believing or accepting that.

What I DON'T accept is their refusal to put their mistake right.

When they made a mistake with their BlackJack so that it paid only 1:1 instead of 3:2 they PUT IT RIGHT.
They didn't just say to the players "Sorry, we goofed - bad luck about your losses"

But this is exactly what they are doing to affiliates.

When I signed-up their website said "Negatives don't carry over".
I would NEVER have signed-up with them & sent them 50-odd players if I thought they had NCO.
I had a player win BIG there in December & January which meant (with NCO) I probably wouldn't earn another cent from them for at least a YEAR.

Mistake or not, what they did amounts to retroactively changing their terms in major negative way - CAN'T YOU SEE THAT ???

I don't give a toss about my lack of earnings with them - it's the PRINCIPLE of it and the apparent non-interest of ADG and GPWA in this issue which has got me so wound up.
(Though not so surprising at GPWA since they openly promote other rogues already).

Why is it so difficult for ADG to rogue them?
Do you think that what they did and what Eva said about me & Bonustreak was acceptable?

KK

 

[KasinoKing]

...I have been looking at some of the most active affiliates here at AGD and no one has removed any white label casinos that are implementing progressive contributions...

My personal opinion on this from day one was that some affiliates were over-reacting.
To be honest I never really looked fully into exactly what this issue meant, and possibly I truly do not understand it. But when I saw it was only "progressive contributions" I thought "so what - how many players play progressives anyway?"

I also always thought the amounts of $ involved would be very small - and not something to get worked up about. Turns out I was right - at least for the Rivals I promote. These were the amounts I was re-paid when adjustment were made:-
$1, $3, $3, $9 and $95.
So only 1 out of 9 Rivals where I earned anything in March was a big amount - and that was less than 10% of my total earning with them over the last 5 months (the effected period).
The rest were a tiny %.

I can live with that - better to make some money in these hard days than none.
I'm not greedy: as long as I make enough each month to pay my bills I am happy - and to be honest, my bills are not very big!

KK

 

[Guard Dog]

I 1000% agree - what iGamingPro did was DEFINITELY a mistake.
I don't have any problem believing or accepting that.

What I DON'T accept is their refusal to put their mistake right.

When they made a mistake with their BlackJack so that it paid only 1:1 instead of 3:2 they PUT IT RIGHT.
They didn't just say to the players "Sorry, we goofed - bad luck about your losses"

But this is exactly what they are doing to affiliates.

When I signed-up their website said "Negatives don't carry over".
I would NEVER have signed-up with them & sent them 50-odd players if I thought they had NCO.
I had a player win BIG there in December & January which meant (with NCO) I probably wouldn't earn another cent from them for at least a YEAR.

Mistake or not, what they did amounts to retroactively changing their terms in major negative way - CAN'T YOU SEE THAT ???

I don't give a toss about my lack of earnings with them - it's the PRINCIPLE of it and the apparent non-interest of ADG and GPWA in this issue which has got me so wound up.
(Though not so surprising at GPWA since they openly promote other rogues already).

Why is it so difficult for ADG to rogue them?
Do you think that what they did and what Eva said about me & Bonustreak was acceptable?

KK

There are several problems I have with the whole situation. The mistake was not purposeful (in my opinion), but was something copied from another program and accidentally left behind when going live.

One of the issues is that affiliates learned of the affiliate program BEFORE it went live and signed up. Now - this is also the affiliate program's fault for leaving the system open to registering.

I don't agree with Eva's angered responses. I believe that, had she conducted herself professionally, this would not have been blown up and the situation would have long-ago been resolved.

Should AGD Rogue them.... I don't, personally, believe they should be rogued. Their terms were never retroactively changed. Even though their FAQ was clearly wrong, it was not done with malice (IMO). We just cannot rogue them on that basis. If they purposefully cheated affiliates, then yes. However - I do not see any bad intent - only bad responses.

I DO NOT like that you or Bonustreak were talked to in that manner. I think that any affiliate manager talking in this manner to affiliates will have problems overcoming it. We have seen that time and again.

So - It is VERY difficult for me to rogue them when I don't feel that is the right decision. I understand that it might not be a popular opinion, but (I think) it is the right one.

Hope you understand and sorry for the slow response KK.