MT Secure Trade & White Labels

[Casino-Matt]

How's everyone doing with this lot? What's converting and what's not doing jack?

For me Rizk is doing really really well in terms of new depositors and repeat customers every month. However it seems half the players are always winning leaving not a great deal of revenue.

Guts occasionally has a low rev player and Betspin is anonymous.

The Betit trio very rarely do much and of course they refuse to turn on the full stats.

As for all the white labels... what a steaming pile of doggy doo. I had high hopes for Larry from the older generation who remember Larry Laffer but that has been as bad as all the other generic wastes of time. Bugger all players and those that do land are hardly worth bothering with.

So far absolutely one of the worst performing casino chains.

 

[LinuZ]

They have insane fees... that is why!

Bets – wins – 25% admin fee* – paid bonuses** – transaction costs & chargebacks – applicable gambling taxes and VAT

But, they have much higher retention than most other brands for some reason.

 

[Biti]

Rizk is doing well, but high costs and a lot of winners. It's just worth it if you're having a CPA or a hybrid deal in my opinion. Guts is converting difficult, but better player value than Rizk. Players are more loyal, less bonus hunting.

The rest of IGC is absolutely not worth the hassle in my opinion. A lot of these casinos are also underfunded. GIG invested quite some money in Rizk and Guts, way more than others did in white labels like Casinoland, Chance Hill or Shadow Bet.

 

[AussieDave]

There's a thread here some place which talks about the risks associated with promoting these brands. Something to do with them having their own portals.
Given the aforementioned, I'd only promote these casinos on a CPA.

 

[KasinoKing]

How's everyone doing with this lot? What's converting and what's not doing jack?

For me Rizk is doing really really well in terms of new depositors and repeat customers every month. However it seems half the players are always winning leaving not a great deal of revenue.

Guts occasionally has a low rev player and Betspin is anonymous.

The Betit trio very rarely do much and of course they refuse to turn on the full stats.

Generally for me this group are a waste of space
I see a little bit of action at Rizk, and had 2 surprisingly very good months with Guts...

But the other 4 are just diabolical.
Still trying to work out WHY the Betit 3 are such awful converters, cos I like the casinos a lot!

KK

 

[Casino-Matt]

Rizk is doing well, but high costs and a lot of winners. It's just worth it if you're having a CPA or a hybrid deal in my opinion. Guts is converting difficult, but better player value than Rizk. Players are more loyal, less bonus hunting.

The rest of IGC is absolutely not worth the hassle in my opinion. A lot of these casinos are also underfunded. GIG invested quite some money in Rizk and Guts, way more than others did in white labels like Casinoland, Chance Hill or Shadow Bet.

Generally for me this group are a waste of space
I see a little bit of action at Rizk, and had 2 surprisingly very good months with Guts...

But the other 4 are just diabolical.
Still trying to work out WHY the Betit 3 are such awful converters, cos I like the casinos a lot!

KK

Yep totally agree. Kaboo is an amazing looking site and Thrills is good fun. I do not see any honest logic in the performance.

Gig just to share some recent stats... 23k in deposits, 1.5k in revenue earned...

 

[Biti]

Generally for me this group are a waste of space
I see a little bit of action at Rizk, and had 2 surprisingly very good months with Guts...

But the other 4 are just diabolical.
Still trying to work out WHY the Betit 3 are such awful converters, cos I like the casinos a lot!

KK

I don't know, must say I don't see the fun of Kaboo Casino. Also the website is a bit annoying and slow in my eyes . For people it's enough to leave it after a few seconds. Also of Super Lenny I don't see the fun. Also bonus terms are not very good in my opinion.

Thrills I do like. But very low profit from them, even if deposits are ok. No idea if it's because of winners, insane fees or both...

A lot of those IGC also have small withdrawal costs. I think people do not like that kind of things.

 

[KasinoKing]

Gig just to share some recent stats... 23k in deposits, 1.5k in revenue earned...

That's 6.5%... at least it's better than Videoslots!

A lot of those IGC also have small withdrawal costs. I think people do not like that kind of things.

Yeah - they charge to Deposit AND Withdraw = incredibly stupid IMO
I'm sure we would all earn more from them, even if they took the bank charges off GGR (lowering our commission) rather than charging the players.
I stopped playing at their casinos myself for this very reason. It's just nuts.

KK

 

[BetOnlineUK]

Yeah - they charge to Deposit AND Withdraw = incredibly stupid IMO

Now that the UK government are to stop companies surcharges on using credit/debit cards, will this apply to casinos as well?

 

[Casino-Matt]

"That's 6.5%... at least it's better than Videoslots! "

How can you tell? VideoSlots don't show the full stats?

"Yeah - they charge to Deposit AND Withdraw = incredibly stupid IMO
I'm sure we would all earn more from them, even if they took the bank charges off GGR (lowering our commission) rather than charging the players."

I thought they charged both the customer AND the affiliate for these costs?

Totally agree though, I would never play at a casino who charges for either deposit or withdrawal. Perhaps once for the casino review process but that's it. My regular casinos don't charge these fees.

 

[KasinoKing]

"That's 6.5%... at least it's better than Videoslots! "

How can you tell? VideoSlots don't show the full stats?

They used to show deposits - from Jan 2014 (when I started promoting) until September 2016.
Over that 33 month period, my average commission was 4.24% of deposits.

As my deposits were well over quarter of a million, that is rather depressing...

KK

 

[inspiration]

IMO Affpower totally destroyed the NetEnt gaming's software reputation and with so many white labels also on hacked websites and their ppc ads on google for other brands is just a failing concept if you ask me.

And I have not even started about their MASSIVE FLEAS (Fees) and the Netrefer affiliate tracking software which is just junk.

Third they probably shave and detag players as so many of you are complaining your earnings are jack squat...........but I digress LOL

 

[preditor]

• Thrills
• Kaboo
• Superlenny

= comissions less than 50€ / month since day 1 they lanched and i had them up. 25% default deal

• Rizk

= Since day 1 with the default deal = super pushing etc. But comissions never more than 200€ / month. Changed to a CPA deal 2 months ago, made a small push and vol'a = 5 000€ / month (avarge, last month 6400€ + this month 2 000€ +)

• Instacasino

I dont know should i laugh or cry - this brand have gotten hundreds of ndc's from day 1 they lanched and it took 1 whole year to get the minimumpayout value of 100€ payd

Other MT Secure casinos
Nowdays most of the affiliate managers goes and recomends a hybrid deal instead of the flat high % deal on the account i have. No matter a 45% flat rev share deal that havent really made me so much money i now have got all kind of 50€-120€ / 25-35% hybrids and suddenly see some nice numbers at the affiliate accounts. I think most of the MT secure whitelabels are run by former affiliates so they know that they need to give something as a carrot for affiliates since its obius that its impossible to make money with a pure rev share deal with them

 

[eenzoo]

I had high hopes for Larry from the older generation who remember Larry Laffer but that has been as bad as all the other generic wastes of time. Bugger all players and those that do land are hardly worth bothering with. So far absolutely one of the worst performing casino chains.

One more time here, git this via third-party today:

Larry Casino Closed!
NOTE FROM LARRY CASINO:
Unfortunately, due to external problems Larry Casino are forced to stop offering games.
LarryCasino wish to thank you for your support during this time. It has been an absolute pleasure making business together. We will proceed with the close of this month, and will request you to issue the corresponding invoice for the due amount, as usual.
Kindly be advised that the games will be no longer available in our site from the 1st of February 2018. In order to allow players to withdraw funds, the site will remain opened for login and cash out options, until the 28th of February 2018.

 

[Biti]

And again a new, white label brand with big talk, folding fast. Say bye to your playerbase.

Other new brands complaining why it's getting more and more difficult to get listed at websites... well, because of this.