How much $$ do YOU make?

[TheGamblingGuru]

I cant answer cause my income is not on the list.

I PAY THEM!

I send players and they bill me!!

How?

1. Negative Carryover
2. Retroactive terms
3. Reductions in % over life of player
4. Non payments
5. Theft of player base
6. Shaving
7 Everything else that rips into the bottom line.

Conclusion - I pay the programs to advertise for them and sit at home and jerk off watching my money get spent at Affiliate conferences on BOOZE, and to boot - I get to see all the pictures on FACEBOOK (phonies with a GOD complex)

Damn! Wish I could nominate that post above...that has to be the "QUOTE OF THE YEAR" !! 8)
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[casinobonusguy]

Sadly I think you may be on to some truth there Steve ...QUOTE=GFPC;20249]I cant answer cause my income is not on the list.

I PAY THEM!

I send players and they bill me!!

How?

1. Negative Carryover
2. Retroactive terms
3. Reductions in % over life of player
4. Non payments
5. Theft of player base
6. Shaving
7 Everything else that rips into the bottom line.

Conclusion - I pay the programs to advertise for them and sit at home and jerk off watching my money get spent at Affiliate conferences on BOOZE, and to boot - I get to see all the pictures on FACEBOOK (phonies with a GOD complex)[/QUOTE]

 

[Corgi]

Is there any way to prevent this? As a new affiliate this does not sound good. I don't want to get into this if there is so much to worry about.

 

[KasinoKing]

Is there any way to prevent this? As a new affiliate this does not sound good. I don't want to get into this if there is so much to worry about.

Any way to prevent WHAT exactly?

KK

 

[Aussie-Dave]

phonies with a GOD complex

;D ;D ;D

Cracked me up Steve but so damn true.


Cheers



Dave

 

[GFPC]

Thanks mate,

It is so true! This is why I have received so many emails thanking me for saying it like it is, and just being honest.

Well of course it was a bit graphic (there was no need for some parts) but at the same time each month we as an affiliate community are getting severely rapped and pushed out onto the street in front of moving buses.

I mean just take a look in facebook. They promote the high life!! Booze, Parties, lots of cash spread out.....

Its all about image! Who's dick is bigger! (doesn't matter how big it is - its how you use it!)

Everyone wants to be Dirk Diggler

;D ;D ;D

Cracked me up Steve but so damn true.


Cheers



Dave

 

[Guard Dog]

I, personally, would prefer affiliate programs spend much less money on conferences and parties and get their shit together in the affiliate program deapartment.

You see too many programs with almost no creatives, affiliate tools, or active AM's living it up via parties. Would be nice to see active programs concentrating on helping their partners drive business instead.

 

[Corgi]

Any way to prevent WHAT exactly?

KK

Is it possible to prevent any of these things? Mainly the stealing of player base...this would be a hard thing to prevent...

1. Negative Carryover
2. Retroactive terms
3. Reductions in % over life of player
4. Non payments
5. Theft of player base
6. Shaving
7 Everything else that rips into the bottom line.

Any experience with these things?

 

[Aussie-Dave]

I mean just take a look in facebook.

What they seem to forget money doesn't buy class ;D


Cheers



Dave

 

[Aussie-Dave]

You see too many programs with almost no creatives, affiliate tools, or active AM's living it up via parties. Would be nice to see active programs concentrating on helping their partners drive business instead.

We can't have that Andy...What's next, paying us on time and not BS'ing us ;D



Cheers



Dave

 

[KasinoKing]

Is it possible to prevent any of these things? Mainly the stealing of player base...this would be a hard thing to prevent...

1. Negative Carryover
2. Retroactive terms
3. Reductions in % over life of player
4. Non payments
5. Theft of player base
6. Shaving
7 Everything else that rips into the bottom line.

Any experience with these things?

No, in my experience you can't do anything to prevent those things, except you can avoid NCO by not signing up in the first place to any programs who have it.
All the other things you just have to keep your eyes open for, but for most there is no way to prove if you're being ripped-off or not. But if you think you are, the only action you can realistically take is dump 'em!

"Any experience with these things?"
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No
4. Yes
5. Very strongly suspect yes.
6. Very strongly suspect yes.
7. Don't know.

KK

 

[GFPC]

All I can say - THE BUCK STOPS HERE!!

I am now prepared to do what is needed very very soon (different then blacklists and rogue lists) BUT HIGHLY EFFECTIVE and DAMAGING to the culprits!

 

[Aussie-Dave]

different then blacklists and rogue lists

Unfortunately these methods are not successful. If they were, Virtual Casino Group and other clip joints would have been put out of business years ago.

I do agree hardcore solutions need to be used. Especially as it's not confined to just rogues ripping affiliates any more.

Granted most countries are still dealing with the world economic crisis. However you can't tell me that our revenue (especially those of us who been in the business for years) should be seeing such down-turns in revenue. If it was that bad more casinos would be going out of business. But they're not, hey!

And besides, sex and gambling are the two industry's that do very well out of recessions.



Cheers



Dave

 

[GFPC]

Yeah i guess my point is this. We need to resort to drastic measures! This also means putting a larger blacklist on our own industry as well. I have a feeling going all out will also hurt affiliates and impact us as well.

My philosophy is simple. "No pain - No gain"

I think we need to increase our efforts collectively, by putting resources into publicizing this via LARGE MEDIA outlets... all over the world!!!

Seriously DRAMATIZE it!

Name and Shame on a more large scale operation!

 

[Corgi]

This forum is a huge part in making the sites change. This forum to me represents freedom of speech. If there is no place where affiliates can voice their opinions, then the sites can just keep milking us.

This site is a huge weapon in keeping the programs honest, because if they abuse their power and our position as affiliates, the word will get out and they will lost their base. They can't kill the goose to get its golden eggs....

 

[GFPC]

AGD is a perfect tool and support forum. For sure this is one of the best places to fight affiliate programs who steal from us everyday.

GAU is awesome - I think TERRY has done one hell of a job taking over and doing everything he can to help. That is why i just recently joined.

CasinoMeister is another one - more for players though but still a good tool in this industry.

GPWA is another pretty good place that helps as well - form the looks of it, they are starting to take affiliates serious.

CAP is another one who seems to be trying to help in this regard.

HOWEVER - We still need more!!

With all these organizations doing their part - affiliate programs still continue to ROT our industry. I mean they create s STENCH - worse then a Rotting Corpse.

It is of my opinion we need to do more. Cause lets face it were all isolated in a way. Were a subnet community. What maybe 10 000 affiliates maybe more I don't know.....

Online gambling is huge all over the world - what 18 billion dollars?

We need to branch out and hit them where it hurts!! THE MEDIA! -

ex: (GrandPrive on 60 minutes) - LOL

This forum is a huge part in making the sites change. This forum to me represents freedom of speech. If there is no place where affiliates can voice their opinions, then the sites can just keep milking us.

This site is a huge weapon in keeping the programs honest, because if they abuse their power and our position as affiliates, the word will get out and they will lost their base. They can't kill the goose to get its golden eggs....

 

[KasinoKing]

CasinoMeister is another one - more for players though but still a good tool in this industry.

GPWA is another pretty good place that helps as well - form the looks of it, they are starting to take affiliates serious.

CAP is another one who seems to be trying to help in this regard.

As a "Meister-Fan" I just can't get my head around GPWA & CAP happily and openly promoting casinos which Bryan has had rogued for years... ???
That is the main reason why I stopped posting (or even visiting) those forums and made AGD my No.1 affiliate forum.

HOWEVER - We still need more!!

I disagree. I think we need LESS.
Rather than having lots of medium-size affiliate forums all with a relatively small voice in the industry, I think we would be better off with just one big affiliate forum with a very LOUD voice. Then when we spoke the casinos really would have to sit up & take notice!

KK

 

[Aussie-Dave]

I disagree. I think we need LESS.
Rather than having lots of medium-size affiliate forums all with a relatively small voice in the industry, I think we would be better off with just one big affiliate forum with a very LOUD voice. Then when we spoke the casinos really would have to sit up & take notice!

A bit before your time KK but the GPWA was founded by a lady called Cindy. She took the stand for affiliates getting shafted and IMHO the GPWA back then was a force to be reckoned with.

Ironically, CM and a few others (for what ever reason) didn't like the way Cindy did things at the GPWA. Maybe she just rocked the boat to much, asked too many hard questions for some people's liking.

So affiliates did have a strong arm and voice in the original GPWA however like all good things in the industry there to protect affiliates and players alike they get destroyed.


Cheers



Dave

 

[Guard Dog]

This has definitely turned into a different thread I should split it off... but I won't.


AGD is looking to help in this respect. I know that not everyone comes here for information. That is not entirely a bad thing. I prefer the professionalism we have here and enjoy the membership we do have.

Since other forums have a good number of affiliates with experience, I have been working on something for them to allow alerts to be integrated to their forums/blogs/sites.

This will soon be available by request and the application is this:

Custom RSS Feed Manager

The RSS Feed Manager allows our Terms Alerts to be rolled into a very custom RSS Feed. This allows the wrapping of HTML, vBulletin's BBCode, and more around the terms alerts. What this will do is allow each forum/blog/site to have their own look and feel to the terms alerts.

It will allow us to get the news out to a much wider base and keep everyone informed. For something like the BWin situation, this will put that information in front of the search engines in many formats.

Anyway... that should help consolidate at least some of the information.

 

[Christoff]

So glad that thread was revived - great reading everyone's stories

As for protecting oneself from being shafted, work with reputable programs. I have worked on the operator side for nearly 7 years and seen it all.

The reputable ones don't seem to get the number of affiliates/players than the slightly less reputable ones did - amazing.