BetVictor Commission Structure Question

mike-cto

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Dear All

I know BetVictor is marked as predatory program, but I have a question to those who still work with them. I can not understand their commission structure, it is stated as 30% flat RevShare across all brands, but actually the stats show as little as 19% RevShare earnings.

For all depositors the stats look like this:

1. Deposits = £59.43 Net Revenue = £38.17 Commission = £11.45 - Actual earnings = 19.26%

2. Deposits = £12.03 Net Revenue = £7.73 Commission = £2.32 - Actual earnings = 19.28%

Note their commission calculations: Net Revenue for the purpose of this Agreement means the total of client losses in the period, less: All gross monies received by us in respect of all settled bets made by Customers, all casino and games wagers and poker rake after deducting; (i) monies paid out to Customers as winnings; (ii) monies paid in the form of betting duties or taxes (or reasonable provisions in respect thereof) (iii) bad debts; (iv) chargebacks and fraudulent transactions; (v) returned stakes; (vi) transactions which are reversed internally to prevent a charge-back from occurring; (vii) all bonuses; (viii) licensing fees; (ix) payment & processing fees. BetVictor retains the right to withhold commission payments or a portion thereof if it considers profits earned at are a risk of chargeback. Any amounts withheld will only be paid once a period of six months has elapsed.

So in both cases above I think it's a flat 10% deductions for licensing fees & payment and processing fees. I think it's impossible to earn the stated 30% flat RevShare, please correct me if I am wrong, but it smells fishy here.

Mike
 

KasinoKing

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Who cares?
Sorry - but good luck with those £&$*%£ people.
I was earing quite good money with them (a lot more than you said in your post), but they booted me off the program for not bringing in enough new players. :(
(Of course, they kept the on-going commission I would have earned).
Honestly? They are not worth a minute more of your time - just dump them now. There are plenty of FAR better programs to work with.

KK
 

mike-cto

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lol.. KasinoKing this was a strong answer. ;D

Well' we've pushed their brands 2 months ago and strangely it's one of our best performing program so their rule of 1 depositing player per month is still achievable, but it seems they cut 11% of the stated 30% RevShare on all total deposits, that is why I was looking for someone to clarify this. I've already emailed our aff manager yesterday regarding the commission structure.

What was the rule of minimum depositing refferals per month when they closed your account?
 

baldidiot

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You can't assume that deposits = gross revenue. For all you know the player could still have a balance, withdrawn, have bets pending etc...

So without knowing the gross (which I'm pretty sure VC don't give you) then there's no way to figure out the deductions. Having said this, NetEnt (which VC use) charge very high fee's for their casino product which eats away at the commissions quite a bit.
 

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What was the rule of minimum depositing refferals per month when they closed your account?
It was a very low target actually - only needed one new depositing player every 6-months.
But I am quite a "small time" affiliate and I promote over 200 different casinos - so new players can be quite thinly spread.
The point is, the player(s) I did have were giving the casino action every month - so what does it matter if they were existing players or new players?

Looking back at their e-mails I could have negotiated with them & kept my account open - but all things considered (including a ridiculous minimum payment threshold of £500) I decided they just weren't worth the bother.

IMHO unless you are a "big time" affiliate, then programs with quotas like this are just not worth the risk.
Good luck!

KK
 
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