Aff Papa affiliates steal my data!

[TTR]

Hi guys,
1-2 months ago i start to recieve a lot of scam from this company, to my email, i never register or visit their website!

Also, i have around 10 messages from different casino/brand managers who said they took my email and skype on aff papa website!

My opinion, this company bought or steal some data bases from casino with affiliates data and start spamming to everyone! Be careful of them.

I also made a video:

 

[Moonlight Cat]

Similar thread on Casino Meister
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/affpapa-com-spam-and-threats.92407/

 

[GeorgeCh]

Dear TTR Casino,

We don't know who you are but you are quite unresponsive when it comes to your emails and also irresponsible when it comes to your videos and posts.
First of all thank you for the opportunity to publicly reply to your unreasonable accusation since we would have never paid attention to what you are posting locally for your YouTube subscribers.
We encourage you to read every sentence very attentively in order to better understand:

1. It is impossible to steal a public data! On TTR Casino website your skype and email (and other contact information) are publicly posted. Citing below`
"If you have any problems with any casino - send me your stories on Skype on niceaff, on the forum neverfold .ru (nickname ttr) or on mail tra1ttt (at) gmail.com and I will publish them on my website!"

2. It is clearly stated on AffPapa.com that we are connecting affiliates and operators! Similar to every other business in the world our team is constantly searching for affiliates and operators through different channels and then connects them with each other. It is just very odd to call it a SCAM.

3. You don't have any account at AffPapa.com! Probably lack of knowledge of English does its job but it is obvious that you are sharing an email where AffPapa invites you to register and you complain that we are scammers.
Citing email below`
"Don't miss your chance to review our new section and get acquainted to our operators' offers. Feel free to register as an affiliate at AffPapa and demand the best offers from operators."

4. Unsubscribe button is exactly for such cases - you could have simply unsubscribed from our newsletters and we` alongside with our operators would have never ever bothered you! You have refused to partnership with every single operator referred by us but you never unsubscribed - why?

5. Because AffPapa is growing quite rapidly in the last couple of months. You have picked up a topic that can help to gain relevant industry traffic for your channel where you have similar harassing videos about other companies as well.

6. SPAM and SCAM are 2 different things! Of course we can spam you by sending Newsletters with promotions of our operators in order to raise your interest to register at our website. It is strange that a blogger like you calls this a SCAM.

7. Finally - we will keep doing what we do because this is in the scope of interests of our clients! We will keep searching for new affiliates and operators, sending them emails, inviting them to register at AffPapa and connecting them to each other - That's what we are here for!


We respectfully encourage you to remove your misleading videos and allegations immediately!

Dear @Moonlight Cat we are kindly asking you not to re-post unverified content.

Best Regards,
George

 

[CL-Ed]

I've been recently spammed by these idiots too. I don't know where they got my details, I certainly didn't give them. Perhaps the affiliate programs they are "working with" passed them on without permission?

Looking at their website they seem to be some kind of completely unnecessary service attempting to broker the sale of affiliate data to operators. Without data they don't have a service so no doubt they bought, stole, or scraped as much data about affiliates as they could so they can pretend to be some kind of oracle about affiliates to the operators they are trying to extract money from.

4. Unsubscribe button is exactly for such cases - you could have simply unsubscribed from our newsletters and we` alongside with our operators would have never ever bothered you!

Bullshit. You should have not spammed in the first place. You don't get a free hit then claim it is the fault of the people you spammed for not unsubscribing.

6. SPAM and SCAM are 2 different things! Of course we can spam you by sending Newsletters with promotions of our operators in order to raise your interest to register at our website.

WTF? "Of course we can spam you". Again, WTF? You are so arrogant and stupid that it seems that either you don't even realise that what you are doing is wrong, or you don't care. I'm not sure which is worse.

The bottom line is that any operator using AffPapa is paying for data gathered without permission. I'm sure their GDPR compliance department will be delighted to know this fact, which is something I will only be too happy to share with them if they dare to contact me via their service.

 

[Strider1973]

I also got these SPAM emails from Affpapa even though I have never signed up for a newsletter.

George, you should get up to date about getting permissions necessary before sending such bulk emails. I encourage you to delete those emails that were not acquired legally (with opt-in from user!).

 

[GeorgeCh]

Thanks for your responses. Your feedback is quite important for us!
We are open to constructive criticism and apt to fix our flaws however we will not allow anyone to spread misleading rumors.

With my message I didn't mean that our aim is to spam but it can happen that our emails become spam for you.
I kindly ask you all to unsubscribe from them in order to avoid unpleasant situations like this.

Regards,
George

 

[Strider1973]

I kindly ask you all to unsubscribe from them in order to avoid unpleasant situations like this.

I kindly ask you to unsubscribe all subscribers who didn't opt-in in order to avoid unpleasant situations like this.

 

[Conft]

Yes, that is in breach of GDPR. Anyone effected should submit a Data Subject Access Request and who knows, if the data has been obtained in an illegal manner, maybe Affpapa will be fined.

 

[baldidiot]

I actually got a little curious on the GDPR rules on this as it may be a little different with it being B2B. Here's an interesting article... is interesting the word? Perhaps not. Here's some info at least: https://www.gdprregister.eu/gdpr/gdpr-b2b-marketing/

Key points:

Companies (legal entities) are considered as “corporate subscribers”. Therefore, unlike B2C, B2B direct marketing messages to corporate email addresses are allowed to be sent without prior consent. However, the sender is required to identify itself and provide contact details. The GDPR must be followed whenever personal data is being processed. The same rules, with some exceptions, apply regardless whether the person is contacted as an individual or an individual acting in a professional capacity. For example, business contact, that contains an individual’s name on a file or their email address (first-name.last-name@company.com), is considered as a physical person’s and not corporate subscriber’s information.

Sole traders are treated as individuals. Meaning, email can be sent only if they have consented specifically or alternatively.

So basically it turns out B2B marketing is allowed under GDPR but not if it involves any kind of personal info - so if you're planning on using a persons name (even if it's in their email) then you need consent.

That second quote is another hurdle. Basically means B2B only applies to proper corporate entities. So if an affiliate isn't incorporated they're treated as an individual for GDPR purposes. Effectively the same rules as B2C.

 

[baldidiot]

Rules aside, signing anyone up for an email newsletter without permission is a bit of a crappy thing to do and offering an unsubscribe option isn't really the same as getting consent.... Totally understand that as a business you need to do outreach but that's not the way to do it in my eyes.

Plus don't forget there are so many phishing and virus scams out there, if I get a newsletter from a company I've never heard of I'm sure as hell not clicking a link in it, I just hit the spam button and filter any further emails to my junk folder.

 

[petjah]

Well AffPapa is obviously a valuable service for operators not affiliates. If you have some traffic you will know very fast which brands are available in your geo(s).

 

[GeorgeCh]

Well AffPapa is obviously a valuable service for operators not affiliates. If you have some traffic you will know very fast which brands are available in your geo(s).

Generally it is valuable for both parties. Affiliates receive exclusive offers from operators that are not available while direct collaboration with operators.

 

[GeorgeCh]

Anyone effected

You write as if you are talking about some tsunami or a disaster. You are talking about a NEWSLETTER with an unsubscribe button in the footer.

It is just crazy how "a newsletter sent to a public email" is interpreted in this thread, as if none of you has ever exchanged a business card at an affiliate conference and started receiving newsletters with promotions afterwards.

I'm sure people like you have so much spare time to open one tread for each newsletter like that.

 

[Conft]

exchanged a business card at an affiliate conference and started receiving newsletters with promotions afterwards.

There is a difference, you exchanged a business card with someone and expressed interest. You scraped an email from someones website and spammed them with a newsletter.

 

[GeorgeCh]

There is a difference, you exchanged a business card with someone and expressed interest. You scraped an email from someones website and spammed them with a newsletter.

Please explain the difference when in both cases one party (who is receiving the newsletters at the end) shares its contact details online and in real life with the same goal (of finding partners) and starts receiving newsletters without opting in.

 

[GeorgeCh]

The bottom line is that any operator using AffPapa is paying for data gathered without permission.

You have to try really hard not to understand our detailed explanation posted above.

The bottom line is - the topic of this thread is misleading and all the arguments are groundless!

 

[Conft]

1. It is impossible to steal a public data! On TTR Casino website your skype and email (and other contact information) are publicly posted. Citing below`
"If you have any problems with any casino - send me your stories on Skype on niceaff, on the forum neverfold .ru (nickname ttr) or on mail tra1ttt (at) gmail.com and I will publish them on my website!"

You quote their contact page here, this contact information is clearly to be used for reporting a problem with any casino, not to be signed up to a newsletter.

 

[CL-Ed]

Well Mr AffSpammer explain me this. Seeing as I have never given a business card to you or anyone else at conferences, my private contact details are not published on any of my websites, and I did not sign up to your service that is designed to sell me as a product... where did you get my contact details from?

You have to try really hard not to understand our detailed explanation posted above.

The bottom line is - the topic of this thread is misleading and all the arguments are groundless!

You are deluded.

 

[Kadabra]

You have to try really hard not to understand our detailed explanation posted above.

The bottom line is - the topic of this thread is misleading and all the arguments are groundless!

I receive daily emails from you without any contact from my site. I asked numerous times that you stop and take me from your list and yet nothing happened. That's exactly what the word spam (not scam) stands for.

I would suggest that you seriously consider how you go on with it and also the way you respond here. If i was considering using your services before - now i don't.

 

[TTR]

Sorry was afk for few days without internet. I am 100% sure that they steal db from one or few affiliate programs of casinos. After my video and topic they were trying to find my info, to google etd to have an exuce.

I hate this kind of a guy, who put a lot of text without any meaning trying to "solve" problem.


Btw Yesterday my website was under big ddos attack and these guy were trying to blackmail me on my email.

I will not gonna talk with this kind of scammer/spammers.

p.s. I asked more than 10 affiliates, and everybody from them also received a letter from that company...

I hope everybody who work with this company will see the topic.