Warning **don't deal with canaryjohn**

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    Insider

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    CanaryJohn could simply prove with a statement from his bank or e-wallet provider that he really may not have received the payment.

    If he isn't able or willing to do one must assume that he has received the payment.

    There are not much possibilities or explanations to proove except:

    Statement Ultra Partners (obviously already done ), statement of payment processor (?) and bank or e-wallet statement from CJ (?)

    Hope that this can be solve somehow for all parties and not become a shame for anyone.
     
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    CanaryJohn

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    Hey Insider. This is exactly what I have done. I provided both parties my financial statement showing clearly that this payment was not made to us at all.

    For anyone who wants to know. This will be my last reply to this thread. From 1pm today I will be under the instruction of my legal representative.

    There is a lot I want to say about this situation and the deliberate defamation of my character (which I believe has separate motivations) but I will await his instructions before doing so. Perhaps it will have to move to a more official conversation.

    I think I can reiterate though. We did nothing wrong. We are not withholding anyones cash. We have not received any money we shouldn't have. And we are no longer going to sit and just take this.
     
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    bettingappguide

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    John has shown a screenshot of his wallet and indeed that screenshot doesn't show the payment.

    What he hasn't shown is a screen shot of the actual wallet where every payment has been sent since Jan. The screenshot doesn't show the one they sent in Sept (before we got the account) so we can only presume that one is missing as well........

    If this is the case then he probably hasn't had any payment since Jan....... and I am sure he would have know about it and reported this?

    I have not seen a screenshot of the wallet address where those payments were received, which would surely back up his statement that he hasn't had the payment.
     
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    The defamation is already in the room because the thread has developed like this.

    But i don't believe that's a deliberate defamation because no one here has interest to make another person bad.

    To make things public in forums is also always the risk that users will judge prematurely because they are in a certain anonymity.

    In my long work as responsible person, i had to deal and to convey always with hostility and abuse between users. These were not always nice to read and also deterred other users from writing their opinion.

    You always have to remain objective, but that doesn't always work when emotions play a role.

    But one principle is that someone is considered innocent until proven he's guilty.

    "bettingappguide" has confirmed that the payment isn't showing at the screenshot he received from John. But i believe that's not enough to proove.

    It is very difficult to judge that from the outside if you are not involved yourself.

    My intention is not to interfere but i find that Ultrapartners and respective the payment processor must do much more in this case to enlighten or to prove.

    If i were John and know that a payment has not been received, then of course i would ask firstly why. Because in principle one should have an overview and control of the incoming payments.

    I have no idea what the screenshots sent by Ultrapartner or John are showing.

    Of course one could create a screenshot from affiliate program of the payment but it will not proove that the payment indeed were made by payment processor.

    It's an uncomfortable situation for everyone, especially for John, that needs to be cleared up asap.
     
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    The last thing i wanted to do was put this on a forum, but after 5 emails and several messages with no reply, I had no choice.

    I dont know who is at fault and not blaming anyone. But there are several things which don't go in one parties favour that I won't put on here but if you saw them, it would all make things a lot clearer.

    A screenshot has been provided, but it would appear from a different address as the payment they sent in September is not showing on there either.

    But if it is the right address, then that would mean he has also not had Septembers payment and that has never been mentioned.
     
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    Insider

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    I understand you complete and sometimes you have no other choise as to make it public. If i would feel treated unfairy then i would also try to fight.

    John feels defaming and that scratches on an EGO too because the post begun maybe a bit one-sided and distorted. Maybe it was a bit my fault because i was the first one who has responded.

    I would wish i could help in any way. But for me it means that Ultrapartners must sort out and must prove who exactly has received the payment. This is also in their responsibilty and interest to do (my opinion). And this is proveable, statement from wallet provider or payment processor.

    What's about administration here ? If one provide these screnshots to AGD maybe they can have also a view and can judge because Ultrapartners is their member.

    Ultrapartner will not showing us here on this thread because of their dataprotect but they could do AGD.

    And here it comes again to trust and in regard of honesty in this business.

    All of the parties must work together but if one party try to tell the untruth then it would be very uncomfortable.

    I don't have a look behind the doors or which statements/screenshots are correct or not but i have also experienced some bad situations in this business regarding payments or stealing money from partner accounts.

    I don't want to accuse anyone, i want to have it solved for all parties, equal on which way.
     
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    They have provided proof and that proof shows that it was sent to the same address that the payment has been sent to for the last 9 months.

    It is John who is saying he hasn't received it. He has shown a screenshot of his wallet, but that screenshot does not show the payment that was sent to him (and presumably received?) in September.

    The screenshot shows transactions before, and after the date they sent payment, so surely it should show that one also if its the same address?

    Its easily resolved and this post can be removed.
     

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