Are William Hill just downright stupid?

[footballaffiliate]

If I had a dollar for every time a William Hill representative contacted me saying "I love your site, I've got a great deal for you", I'd be retired and living on an island in the Caribbean!

What is up with these guys???! I'm actually a current affiliate with them, and no matter how much you tell them you're a current affiliate, you still get some dumb-ass email from some chimp in an office in Tel Aviv who has been told to mail spam everyone they can find!

Sorry, it's a bug-bear of mind. I HATE programs that harass you and spam you with generic messages. It seems a lot of programs in Israel just cast the net wide and hope to catch some small fish.

 

[footballaffiliate]

I do apologise. "Chimp" was probably not the right term, it is probably too generous!

 

[KasinoKing]

Yes - they are stupid.
As are many of the companies based out of Israel, when it comes to "spam-marketing" to their existing affiliates.
I think the record holders for me are Affactive - completely lost count of the times they "blind approached" me while I was already working with them.
(Dumped them now due to their rogue-arsed attitude towards their players)

KK

 

[AussieDave]

I used to get hammered by 888. When I finally agreed to meet their Rep at the Aussie Millions one year (Crown Casino Melbourne), she was from their Isreali office. I found her to be aloof and even saome what arrogant too. Couldn't decide if she was having a bad-hair-day or of that was her usual persona. Either way I never promoted them.

 

[footballaffiliate]

I used to get hammered by 888. When I finally agreed to meet their Rep at the Aussie Millions one year (Crown Casino Melbourne), she was from their Isreali office. I found her to be aloof and even saome what arrogant too. Couldn't decide if she was having a bad-hair-day or of that was her usual persona. Either way I never promoted them.

Funny you should mention arrogance, it seems to be the norm when it comes to Israeli based programs, it's just the way they do business. I spoke to an Israeli affiliate manager once and he said that even the Israelis don't like the way the Israelis do business!

 

[WagerPod]

I had one guy pestering me from William Hill for about 3 months regarding a bingo website, was the usual lingo, love your site etc... if he had actually looked beyond the homepage he would see William Hill was being promoted on the site, more than any other brand.

I think its just a numbers game with them.

 

[AussieDave]

I had one guy pestering me from William Hill for about 3 months regarding a bingo website, was the usual lingo, love your site etc... if he had actually looked beyond the homepage he would see William Hill was being promoted on the site, more than any other brand.

I think its just a numbers game with them.

I'm convinced all they do is either trawl through domain whois data or have somehow aquired (errr bought; traded or exchanged) our emails etc. Clearly these are spammy and as you mentioned WagerPod, most are clueless to being promoted on the site, even when they give kudos to the site-layout etc.

You know if one thing annoys me more than spam, it's affiliate managers who piss-in-my-pocket

I think its just a numbers game

Most things are.. EG - If you approach 100 women in a night club and ask each one for sex, eventually 1 or 2 will say yes. Granted after 98 or 99 face slaps

 

[slotplayer]

Same here, none of it really bothers me too much.

 

[footballaffiliate]

Most things are.. EG - If you approach 100 women in a night club and ask each one for sex, eventually 1 or 2 will say yes. Granted after 98 or 99 face slaps

If I had a 1 in 100 chance i'd consider myself God damn lucky!

Thing with William Hill though - they approach you, tell you you're good looking, you get into bed with them, and you wake up to find in the morning that they've gone, and they've taken your wallet and credit cards too.

 

[AussieDave]

they approach you, tell you you're good looking, you get into bed with them, and you wake up to find in the morning that they've gone, and they've taken your wallet and credit cards too.

Maybe you need to hang-out at classier night club

 

[TheGooner]

It wouldn't matter what nightclub I hung out in ... I'd be batting zero percent!


Regarding constant contacts I just think that there is a lot of Israeli free-lancers setting themselves up as "super affiliates" or AM go-betweens and their role is to blast the industry with thousands of approaches. Yes it IS dumb. Yes it does devalue the brand.

But if you've grown up in that mindset as WillHill owners seem to have done then perhaps they just don't know that there is different way?

I had a phone discussion with one "recruiter" who was stunned into silence when I said that the money wasn't the issue - the brand (WillHill) was not coming on site.

- So what if I pre-pay the first months payments ?
- NO. You are not listening - the money is not the issue I do not trust the brand.
- *Silence* ... So what about 50% share?
- NO. I'm not interested on your payments or your company..
- What about a 10K start bonus up front?
- NO. I have not interest in promoting this brand.
- *Silence* ... So I should spend my advertising money elsewhere ...
- Finally you get it - I will not put your brand on my site - it is not about the money - you do not have a product I trust
- *Silence* ... *Silence* ... *Silence* ... *CLICK*

It was like I had insulted his god or way of life or something ... I've never heard from them again.

 

[footballaffiliate]

It wouldn't matter what nightclub I hung out in ... I'd be batting zero percent!


Regarding constant contacts I just think that there is a lot of Israeli free-lancers setting themselves up as "super affiliates" or AM go-betweens and their role is to blast the industry with thousands of approaches. Yes it IS dumb. Yes it does devalue the brand.

But if you've grown up in that mindset as WillHill owners seem to have done then perhaps they just don't know that there is different way?

I had a phone discussion with one "recruiter" who was stunned into silence when I said that the money wasn't the issue - the brand (WillHill) was not coming on site.

- So what if I pre-pay the first months payments ?
- NO. You are not listening - the money is not the issue I do not trust the brand.
- *Silence* ... So what about 50% share?
- NO. I'm not interested on your payments or your company..
- What about a 10K start bonus up front?
- NO. I have not interest in promoting this brand.
- *Silence* ... So I should spend my advertising money elsewhere ...
- Finally you get it - I will not put your brand on my site - it is not about the money - you do not have a product I trust
- *Silence* ... *Silence* ... *Silence* ... *CLICK*

It was like I had insulted his god or way of life or something ... I've never heard from them again.

Had many a similar conversation with a number of Israeli affiliate programs. Been accused of being anti-this and that, and racist and all sorts, just because I won't advertise a company that I don't trust. It doesn't matter where you're from, or what religion you are, if you're theives you're not coming on my site.

 

[KasinoKing]

Had many a similar conversation with a number of Israeli affiliate programs. Been accused of being anti-this and that, and racist and all sorts, just because I won't advertise a company that I don't trust. It doesn't matter where you're from, or what religion you are, if you're theives you're not coming on my site.

This is how I feel too. I am not the slightest bit raciest (I'm married to a bloody foreigner!), but it's just the Israeli way of doing business where it seems that THEIR earnings come first above ALL other considerations. Most of the Israeli guys I'm met at various affiliate companies are actually very nice guys - I just think it's the way they are brought up and educated which makes them think slightly differently to most of the rest of us regarding business practices.

KK

 

[slotplayer]

It wouldn't matter what nightclub I hung out in ... I'd be batting zero percent!


Regarding constant contacts I just think that there is a lot of Israeli free-lancers setting themselves up as "super affiliates" or AM go-betweens and their role is to blast the industry with thousands of approaches. Yes it IS dumb. Yes it does devalue the brand.

But if you've grown up in that mindset as WillHill owners seem to have done then perhaps they just don't know that there is different way?

I had a phone discussion with one "recruiter" who was stunned into silence when I said that the money wasn't the issue - the brand (WillHill) was not coming on site.

- So what if I pre-pay the first months payments ?
- NO. You are not listening - the money is not the issue I do not trust the brand.
- *Silence* ... So what about 50% share?
- NO. I'm not interested on your payments or your company..
- What about a 10K start bonus up front?
- NO. I have not interest in promoting this brand.
- *Silence* ... So I should spend my advertising money elsewhere ...
- Finally you get it - I will not put your brand on my site - it is not about the money - you do not have a product I trust
- *Silence* ... *Silence* ... *Silence* ... *CLICK*

It was like I had insulted his god or way of life or something ... I've never heard from them again.

I'm surprised he did not ask why you did not trust the brand.

 

[footballaffiliate]

I'm surprised he did not ask why you did not trust the brand.

Because they face hundreds of people every day who don't trust them, and it's not even worth their while asking. They know full well what they did in the past with the cpays system blatantly defrauding people, so they're just fishing for naive affiliates who don't know the history, hence it's good to out these people again and again to make sure new affiliates don't fall into their trap, or at least treat them with caution.

 

[slotplayer]

I see. I never promoted them but have had numerous emails to. I just didn't think it was good fit for me at the time I did look in to them.
I have heard cpays mentioned now and then over the years but really do not know the full history.