Nicolas is representing this brand so he should be held responsible for everything he said here and also for the doings of betphoenix.
I don't disagree with you - everyone should be held accountable for their actions.
However, with all due respect, taking a black and white line on this, when clearly Nicholas is the
mouth piece for both Bet Phoenix and the owners, is a hard call.
If you look above you'll see Nicholas added a "thankyou" to one of your posts. That tells me he personally agrees the "Josh" issue makes his original post a farce. It certainly gives affiliates every right to ask wtf is going on.
The rights of affiliates to expect transparency from Bet Phoenix or any program for that matter is justified. Every affiliate partner should always be told the truth no matter how bad it may be - honesty far outweighs being led up the proverbial garden path, hey!
I would be more than happy to talk to the owners and ask them the same questions. But I dont see them here...
I don't see it happening either, mate.
Reiterating, if Nicholas has been told (ordered) not to make any further comment, then as an employee of Bet Phoenix, that's about what is likely to happen, no comment!
Josh obviously made them money and they are taking his players and deposits. So they should pay him fair and square. They are making profits after all, and they spent money on the latest platform shift.
Did I say Josh should not be paid? No I did not. I said:
Josh should be paid. Frankly this issue should not have been allowed to continue to this point.
So it is fair to say they r running a BS operation here with zero transparency
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Personally, Bet Phoenix and their actions should be considered dodgy at best, at worse, possibly blacklisted if not rogued.
i do understand where you are coming from. However things aint that simple.
I disagree. Things are as straight forward or as complex as people wish to make it.
Facts I've drawn from this thread:
- Josh is owed affiliate payments and has been stalled for months.
- Bet Phoenix has not be truthful in their dealings with affiliates.
- Whilst Nicholas is accountable, he is not the owner(s) of Bet Phoenix.
What should happen is the owners of Bet Phoenix should release a public statement. Instead of allowing Nicholas to wear the brunt of affiliates displeasure. They should also pay Josh in full ASAP - even to the point of an interest which would have be earned if the amount was paid months ago.
Nicholas should either pull all stops out to make sure these issues get sorted and the owners of Bet Phoenix face up to their responsibilities. If the owners wont do this, which seems to be the case, if I was Nicholas I'd be resigning at that point.
Reiterating though, Nicholas is ONLY an employee. So holding him responsible for Josh not being paid, and for what he's (I assume) been told to post (or not to post) in this thread, is what I was trying to explain that people should focus their anger at the owners of Bet Phoenix and not Nicholas.
If this issue bothers people this much then instead of talking, take some action. Blacklist them and take a combined stance, stating this is not acceptable.
It's not my intention to be obtuse - I have nothing to gain or lose here.
However the facts are on the table now.
Asking for comment from Nicholas when it's more than likely he's been gagged by the owners of Bet Phoenix, to me seems like a waste of energy that could be spent on forcing the issues. Take a combined stance against the owners of Bet Phoenix by blacklisting their program and gaming venue(s) with immediate affect.
Blogs are great way to get immediate impact. Do this and I'm sure the owners of Bet Phoenix will reconsider their current status quo, not only regarding paying Josh ASAP in full but also rei-valuate their lack of transparency.
Unfortunately the majority of gaming venue owners in this industry don't give two hoots about anything until it impacts on their revenue. Take a stand again them and affect their income is the best way to get them to take notice and be accountable for their responsibilities.
No offence to anyone but talk is only good if the other party is open to frank and honest communication - willing to take steps to resolve issue(s). Bet Phoenix doesn't seem to be motivated to do this.
Cheers
Dave