Winner everyday????

[lots0]

I just wanted to know if anyone else has had this happen to them.
(the casino in question will remain nameless, but it is approved/certified here and elsewhere.)

I have one player that has won every single day, never a losing session for 2 1/2 months.

Yes that is absolutely correct... the player never had a single losing session. Playing Blackjack and Roulette everyday in 10 weeks with a starting deposit of $30.

He won on average $150 a day, never wins over $250... again with NEVER a losing session. I think we all know the mathmatical impossibility of this...

After 1 1/2 months I was contacting the aff program and asking them to check this out... A single player that never loses, is in my experience abnormal to say the least.

Anyway the casino dicked around for another month and a halve, "investigating", while the player was still winning everyday.

The casinos conclusion... The player gets paid, because the casino did not find anything suspicious.... all I got to say is WTF?

The casino did tell me they banned the player and he is not showing up on my stats this month.

But I got to say this whole thing does not feel 'right'.
As I pointed out not to have a losing session playing everyday in 2 1/2 months is impossible, without cheating.
Why bann the player when there is nothing suspicious?
Why pay the player, when they are going to bann him?

This is the first time something like this has happened to me and it has left a real bad taste in my mouth.

Anyway just wondering if anything like this has happened to anyone else?

 

[bonusgeek]

Yea thats a little strange.

I have a similar experience with a particular program and have a player who deposits around $30K a month. There are so many strange things with this account I don't know where to begin. But it's something like this, I almost never see the guy stuck, he is always beating the house month after month. Yet strangely enough he continues to redeposit thousands when he is not losing his previous deposits. Pretty strange. He's had some losing months, but very small amounts considering what he deposits month after month.

Then they are giving him thousands in bonuses every month when he is supposedly beating the house. Am I really supposed to believe they are going to reward a player with this kind of bonus money when he is not losing any money? Even if he was cashing out and redepositing his winnings again, am I to believe they are going to give him bonuses on the same recycled money he just withdrew from his account? Highly unlikely.

This has been going on for over a year, same garbage month after month and I know exactly whats going to happen this month, the guy is going to deposit $20-$30K and I am not going to make shit off his action. Then they love him so much they are going to comp him $3K plus as their way of saying thank you for beating the house out of $8K last month lmao.

I am not going to call this program out because I am not 100% sure if they are skimming or not since I am not privvy to seeing the deposit and withdrawal history on this player. But when I see the kind of strange shit I have been seeing month after month, I just take them down and that is what I would recommend you doing.

For me I have a pretty good idea of what kind of return I should be seeing with programs that I send a certain amount of clicks to, a certain amount of conversions per month to ect.., So regardless of the reason why, if I am seeing shitty returns on my clicks month after month then they are gone. I have been in the business too long, and when I have a guy that has deposited several hundred thousand, yet I am not making any money month after month off his action, my gut tells me something shady is going on. Especially considering most players lose, and this kind of money deposited with another program will pay me some nice dividends. But they do throw me a bone once in a blue moon and let me make $1K off his $30K in deposits, thanks guys.

 

[Renee]

I'm not defending whoever you're talking about, because obviously I don't know who they are but I will say that my partner told me a story the other day that he saw this guy who won $20 on a poker freeroll and then played every day. After 6 months he had a balance of over $1 million dollars. These things do happen. I guess it's a little different on poker since it's a game of skill...

Good luck!

 

[lots0]

For me I have a pretty good idea of what kind of return I should be seeing with programs that I send a certain amount of clicks to, a certain amount of conversions per month to ect..,

I'm the same way. I have different streams of traffic that converts differently, but constantly over time. For example I have some traffic that converts at ~.06% (clicks to deposits) and then I have other traffic that converts at 25%.
But the thing is, the conversions are consistent across the same keywords over time. So you can judge a program by it's conversions.

In your situation, It don't sound like skimming, sounds like a laundry to me.
I would be hitting up the aff manager for more details... If I were you.


@Renee

In the "old" days of online poker (95,96) it was not uncommon at all to see a player take a small deposit and turn it into sizable amount of money in a relatively short time. Chris Moneymaker for example... he turned a single $50 deposit into a WSOP Bracelet and millions and millions.
But those days are long gone...

Your right, poker is a game of skill and what I was talking about are table games with a built in house advantage.

Blackjack can be beaten, all you have to do is count cards(and be good at it)... but a card counter is defeated by multi decks and card counting leaves a betting pattern that can easily be detected. So I guess what I am trying to say is that it is not out of the question to 'beat' blackjack... But Roulette is different... the House advantage is unbeatable, over an extended time, without downright cheating.

/// ADDED I just love the name "MONEYMAKER"... what a handle... lol

 

[lots0]

I was contacted by the program in question in my OP, after they had read this thread.

It was pointed out to me that the winning player did have a couple of losing sessions (2) where he lost less than $30.

I was also informed that an analysis of the player was done by the software vendor and they found the players betting patterns (wins/losses and betting pattern) to be within norms.

I also misstated the original deposit amount, It was $300.00 not $30.00.

After doing some research and not having any replies in this thread where any other aff had the same type of problem. I have come to the conclusion that the player was a real player and that shit happens... But why does 'shit' always happen to me ???

 

[inspiration]

But why does 'shit' always happen to me

trust me bud you are not alone ..........

 

[tryme1]

Back when PlayUnited was a USA facing RTG, I had one player (I believe she was from Canada) win two progressive jackpots, some other slots and a bunch of other stuff in a period of about a week. She won well over $160,000 US and my account there never recovered.

I don't remember all the details, but I'm sure if Ryan was a member here, he might be able to help. All I know is : it trashed my account there forever.

My point is: it can happen.

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

Lots0, I know you said you didn't want to name the casino but what software provider was it? RTG, MG, Rival etc.?
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[bb1webs]

same request for you Kevin,

can you name the software?

I'm betting if you can't ... its because its a software that isn't used by a ton of places therefore stating them would be naming the casino ... so to speak.

I cannot help but find it curious too, that a player who has been beating the house steadily, month after month, is getting bonuses awarded to them because ... and trust me on this folks ... if you're beating the casino out of thousands of dollars ...

YOU"LL BE BACK!!!

There is absolutely no need for awarding bonuses to players who are winning on a steady basis. Geez that's dumb.

Or its some funny business going on.

...............

when I have a guy that has deposited several hundred thousand, yet I am not making any money month after month off his action, my gut tells me something shady is going on. Especially considering most players lose, and this kind of money deposited with another program will pay me some nice dividends. But they do throw me a bone once in a blue moon and let me make $1K off his $30K in deposits, thanks guys.

amazing. You almost have to wonder if the program is on the up and up because your thinking SURELY nobody is SO greedy as to be greedy-stupid, ... stupid enough to say ... only let a guy make a grand off a regular 30k deposit situation.

but they are out there. Not able to see the dollar for the dime in front of them.

I have dumped a whole bunch of places that had they just treated me fairly ... would over 10 years of time have made some decent money .... as opposed to what they made the 3 or 4 months time they hit me over the head and took everything, before i finally got wise and took them down.

 

[GFPC]

I still find the question you asked important.

Why did they ban him?

I mean they did a check on his playing and found it to be within the norm.

Again why ban him then?

Sounds like removed him from your tracker maybe!

 

[SlotMonster]

From my point of view, it would be pretty strange for me to hear that I was banned for "winning too much"

 

[arkyt]

my partner told me a story the other day that he saw this guy who won $20 on a poker freeroll and then played every day. After 6 months he had a balance of over $1 million dollars.

Sounds more like one of those UB/AP SuperUser players who can see the hole cards!

I have seen plenty of 'consistent' winners at certain casinos. Also had plenty of winners over the years that vanish never to return - always a bit puzzling.

Please do give us more info to go on!

 

[Renee]

Nope not at all... was a legitimate poker room on a respectable network.. I guess sometimes people just get lucky.

 

[scuter]

Nope not at all... was a legitimate poker room on a respectable network.. I guess sometimes people just get lucky.

Pretty sure a 888 player ran a $50 free chip up to $400,000 or something a few years back. After I was told, I immediately recognised the username as a regular enemy but wasn't sure how he'd fared vs me - I raced through my PT databases to see. I think 4th most successful vs me lifetime. Curses on that $50 free chip. 888poker promotional dept and I in state of Cold War still....at least at my end.

 

[alex777]

trust me bud you are not alone ..........

Same here. I have a programs where players are winning 5K, 10K, 20K almost every month, and honestly ... I'm happy for them. In overall, it's not affecting my earnings too much.