Wagershare - Becareful of these rogues!

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    playcasino1

    playcasino1 Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Last month we earned $1574 with Wagershare and they are refusing to pay. Just recieved the following email after we queried why our payment hasnt been processed yet :

    This is utter nonsense as we have been earning smaller amounts with them every month for 3 years now and were paid without any issues. When we slowed down in promoting them 2 years ago, they reduced our commission to the lowest tier of 25% which we had no problems with. Now they enforcing some other condition to screw us over.

    We promoted them heavily in 2008/2009. I checked our stats for the entire year of 2012 and we didnt send them 1 new depositor. Why didnt they enforce this rule then? Is it due to last months commission being higher than normal!!

    Steer clear of these guys! Crooked operators!!!
     
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    Guard Dog

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    Wagershare is now listed as ROGUE for these actions and many they have taken against the affiliate community. I will also send out an 'alert' to the other forums so that all affiliates know what this group has been doing.
     
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    dominique

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    Is this a retroactive quota affecting old affiliates? When did it pop up?
     
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    Guard Dog

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    Yes, it is. I am unsure when it showed up in the terms, but we spidered it on September 18th, 2012 10:51 AM

    The term has been there awhile, but they moved the terms location and for some reason the spider didn't catch up to it (and the old one was still in place)... so I had to manually spider it.
     
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    dominique

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    Well, I don't recall being notified and if they left the old one in place and moved the new one to a new location, that's plain deceptive!
     
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    playcasino1

    playcasino1 Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Thanks Andy

    As posted on CAP,I don't recall this condition ever being there when we signed up with them. The fact that they have been paying us every month for the past 2 years despite not sending them a new depositor clearly indicates that this rule was never there or else they would have applied it before.

    Just received a reply to my email from Robert Miller in which i asked them why they hadn't enforced this rule before and whether it had anything to do with last months commission being higher than months prior :

     
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    bonustreak

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    Dom they didn't notify anyone! I had a beef with them for months now and have posted several times about their actions. They tricked affiliates by changing affiliate software and claim that once we logged into the new software we accepted the terms!!! They have been pulling some really shady stunts towards affiliates and stealing our money from us! They have been removed from our sites and rogued!!!
     
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    cassaon888

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    The time has come to start pulling their links from our sites.
     
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    Vladi

    Vladi Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    So play their game and ask a friend to sign up using your link. Then drop them once they pay you what they owe.
     
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    dominique

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    This is just sad! So many programs that used to be good are now crap.
     
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    inspiration

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    The quota has been in the T&C page as long as I can remember, just absolutely ridiculous to rogue a group for this.

    One does not lose his players/commission either, just refer 1 player and you are good to go.

    IMO many affiliates here have the wrong focus on how things are affecting their business / profits.

    A popular affiliate manager will not bring food on your table, being nice to them also not.

    This is where things go wrong : being naive and closing one eye for not wanting to see the reality ; you are getting shaved the most with groups that cross promote with no credit as your players base will be targetted 4 ever.

    Think about this again : all your effort, traffic, seo, investments are worth nothing if players get siphoned away from existing accounts.

    Not seeing Rewards Affiliates being rogued for this, they can happily steal your players for free.

    IMO you are making false and inaccurate conclusions.

    BTW Robert my affiliate manager replies instantly and he is not thrilled about this as it simply is not true.

    Put your effort in groups that really damage your existence.

    just saying..........
     
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    Guard Dog

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    I have emails proving that they stop payments when you don't bring in enough traffic.

    I have emails where they lowered commissions to affiliates who had agreed to SPECIFIC revshare (i.e., 35%) at a later date (maybe they aren't bringing in enough players for Wagershare).

    I have emails where they are being hounded because they are not returning the commissions from locked players like they are supposed to (i.e., player is locked, commissions are removed, but are supposed to be put back into the affiliate's account)

    list goes on and on. There is a reason we don't accept quotas... and when those quotas are enforced, we list as rogue. Simple as that. But everyone does not have to agree with this. That is a matter of personal preferance.
     
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    pdjoe

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    We sent them 1 new player in December.

    They did not pay us and we are fighting with them about it now.
     
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    Guard Dog

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    These are the types of issues I have been hearing about over and over. And it is the reason their their status update - I think it is a fair update considering..
     
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    inspiration

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    Simply put most of us do not like quota's but can live with it, cross promotion with no credit is something we do not like and can not live with.

    This AGD preference is wrong and is drawing the wrong conclusions for the unexperienced, but it is your call.

    What do you think can be easily recovered from :
    A. referring 1 player for a quota in T&C or
    B. referring 10+ new players in order to maintain profits at the same level cuz of losing players back to the program.
     
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    bonustreak

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    Inspiration I was like you defending them and trying to stick with this company because I was making good money, they held no quota against me and I was paid on time. THEN... Bam last year out of the blue they took me from an agreed 35% to 25% because they claim I didn't send a new player!!! This is BS and predatory I agree they are rogue and AGD did the right thing. I am waiting for the day where they do this to you because they will.
     
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    Guard Dog

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    I'm not disagreeing with you. The cross-promotion, losing players is a bit more difficult to prove. The only people that can prove that are the players - and the affiliates they talk to.

    The 1 player deal isn't always correct.. look above where Joe is basically fighting for his income. Wagershare has a habit over the last year of making it up as they go along.

    I agree we need to look harder at cross-promotion and how it affects everyone, though. So many things to look for... but I try to make the 'hard line' items things we can easily determine.
     
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    inspiration

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    you are kidding right ????

    cross promotion at e.g. Rewards Affiliates without our affiliate ID is a fact and you will lose players by this (100%).


    I was on 35% last month but this month on 25%, as last month revenues were better and fell in the higher % rev share range.
    This is only fair IMO.
     
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    inspiration

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    Joe are your earnings over the minimum payment ?

    I have never had a missing payment.
     
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    pdjoe

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    Yes Rick,

    We meet all the requirements.

    Hoping to work it out but it's not looking good. I'll keep updates.

    This is not a missing payment, this is a refusal to pay based on not sending enough players.
     
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