Tradtion Casino To Uses Predatory Tatics!!!

[bonustreak]

Just a fair warning that Thomas at Tradition casino is not aware of his own terms and conditions or he is and thinks he can get by with blackmailing affiliates! We have contacted him asking about our earnings small as they are they are still owed and why we have not been paid for a few months and this was his response I think you will all get a kick out of this...
He clearly does not realize how hard I bite!! I think he is very confused on the difference between a negative from cashouts which is what my stats reflect and a chargeback.

We have carefully reviewed your account and this is what emerges :
2009/10 : 171.14 = Paid
2009/11 : -608.10 = Not Paid
2009/12 : 57.80 = Not Paid
2010/1 : 52.50 = Not Paid
Unfortunately, in November there were numerous chargebacks for the traffic
sent, so the Adjusted Net Win is negative for this month.

That is what happened for December and January, as your commissions did
not fully offset the negative carryover, according to the terms and
conditions.

The current balance of your account is -497.80.
However, this only happened on November, your conversion rate is good at
7,5%, your average since the beginning of your subscription is $223,48. So
we are confident that with more traffic sent, your account will quickly
become positive again.
Your exclusive rate of 70% every 6 months, on your best month, will also
allow you to remedy the inconvenience.

Maybe we could make an effort on our side to decrease the carryover or
delete it if you agree on a better position for us, that will send more
traffic of better quality ?

Best regards,

Thomas
IGAMING.PRO

EDITED to add that we reviewed the Tradition terms this afternoon just incase something was to happen to them and low and behold look what has changed this evening all of the sudden!

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Negative credits are not carried over the following month. If for a given month you get negative commissions after players’ earnings are superior to your commission earnings, you will start all over again on the first day of the following month. We refuse to give negative carry-overs as we wish our affiliates to always be motivated in their job promoting our online casino.​

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Are negative credits carried over the following month ?
Yes.

 

[Wadiabetting]

The customer is always right!
As an Affiliate manager I know the value of looking after the people you work with. You need to know the rules inside out so these problems dont happen!

Best of luck with getting things sorted!

 

[Guard Dog]

It certainly looks like they decided to carry over negatives AFTER you signed the terms and conditions contract. This is more than just a predatory action, but a rogue one.

I'm not happy with this at all - we need to talk with these folks to find out what they think they are doing. Looks to me like they purposefully wiped out your earnings.

 

[bonustreak]

They did and after I sent them a mail and they learned who I am here at AGD they didn't respond again but went and changed their terms!

 

[bonustreak]

Just got this mail...

Hello,

First I want to point out that I am not a native english speaker, so my
words can not be as clear as I'd like always.
I'm sorry for delay as I had to contact my supervisor by phone to validate
this answer.
I never intented to do "blackmail".

1- Yes you are right : there was an error on our site in the FAQ (not in
the terms and conditions) : because before the launching of the website we
didn't want to make negative carryover.
This mistake done by our webmaster was there since the creation of the
website.

We decided to offer 70% once a semester. These 70% can even be claimed
retroactively, because we know very well that offering 70% the first month
is a lie because an affiliate reaches its regular income after several
months.
Concretely this is two months where we don't win money.

2- As our FAQ was wrong when you signed in, you are in your right saying
there can not be chargeback on your account.

3- The negative balance of our november month will be erased and your
subsequent earnings will be paid right early next week.

I send your complaint to my supervisor, who will answer to you within 24
hours also.

Best regards,

Thomas
IGAMING.PRO

 

[Guard Dog]

That seems to be a fair response. Mistakes do get made.

 

[bonustreak]

I will give them another try I suppose

 

[Igaming.pro]

Hi,

I'm the owner and i just aware about the situation. I hope you understood that our goal wasn't to abuse affiliates. We sent you proofs by email that show before to launch our affiliation website we made a design + texts with no negative report. Then, before to launch and accept our 1st affiliate, we changed our mind and decided to apply negative report ; banners and texts were changed, exepted our FAQ and i apologize for this, really...

I hope we will all continue to work together and never hesitate to write us if something strange happened : i was first affiliate, before to launch Tradition Casino, so i'll always do my best to solve any unconfortable situation you can meet

Thanks for your time,

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

Hi,

I'm the owner and i just aware about the situation. I hope you understood that our goal wasn't to abuse affiliates. We sent you proofs by email that show before to launch our affiliation website we made a design + texts with no negative report. Then, before to launch and accept our 1st affiliate, we changed our mind and decided to apply negative report ; banners and texts were changed, exepted our FAQ and i apologize for this, really...

I hope we will all continue to work together and never hesitate to write us if something strange happened : i was first affiliate, before to launch Tradition Casino, so i'll always do my best to solve any unconfortable situation you can meet

Thanks for your time,

That's damn sure not the deal that I signed up for! You guys at these Rival casinos really need to get your shit together and soon before you lose all of your affiliates and players!!
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[Rhondagrace]

I didn't sign up for that either, maybe I'll change my mind and send you no players!!

 

[Igaming.pro]

I'm affraid you didn't understand. I said : none affiliates has subscribed in IGAMING.PRO with the first texts & designs saying that there is not negative report. These texts & designs never been put online because it was an off-line version, NOONE NEVER saw this version, excluding FAQ that we forgot to upadate.

We launched our website in 20TH JULY 2009 with texts & banners saying that we will apply the negative report. In other words, BEFORE to launch and accept affiliates, we ALREADY changed our texts and banners, so all our designs & texts (excluding FAQ) was explaining that negative report will apply.

So, since the site opened, we never change one word or design : everyone signed up with negative report appliance.

 

[KasinoKing]

Sorry, I've only just seen this thread;
So we're saying Tradition definitely DO have negative carry-over?

If so, can someone please post the URL to the Terms & Conditions where this is mentioned?
I can only find it in FAQs - and we know that was changed AFTER I signed up with them.

If this is true I will be pulling them from all my sites.
(I had 2 very big winners there in December...)

KK

 

[bonustreak]

I can state that when I read the terms early that morning the had NO negative carry over and then later that day when I made mention of this they changed the terms to read they DO have a carry over.

 

[KasinoKing]

I can state that when I read the terms early that morning the had NO negative carry over and then later that day when I made mention of this they changed the terms to read they DO have a carry over.

Where exactly are you reading those terms?
URL?

KK

 

[sunflower]

Are negative credits carried over the following month ? Yes.

Questions on Igaming.pro affiliation

 

[Igaming.pro]

Yes, as stated below : we apply negative carry over. Our faq wasn't correct : it's updated since bonustreak noticed me.

Btw, if you're experiencing some big winners, do not hesitate to send me a PM : i will have a look in your account in order to find solution with you.

Please never forget that if you have had big winners, it can be unconfortable for 1 or 2 months, but usually big winners will finish to loose more than they earned ;-)

I hope that everybody understand my "frenchie" english lol

Sorry, I've only just seen this thread;
So we're saying Tradition definitely DO have negative carry-over?

If so, can someone please post the URL to the Terms & Conditions where this is mentioned?
I can only find it in FAQs - and we know that was changed AFTER I signed up with them.

If this is true I will be pulling them from all my sites.
(I had 2 very big winners there in December...)

KK

 

[KasinoKing]

Yes, as stated below : we apply negative carry over. Our faq wasn't correct : it's updated since bonustreak noticed me.

Btw, if you're experiencing some big winners, do not hesitate to send me a PM : i will have a look in your account in order to find solution with you.

Please never forget that if you have had big winners, it can be unconfortable for 1 or 2 months, but usually big winners will finish to loose more than they earned ;-)

I hope that everybody understand my "frenchie" english lol

Your "Frenchie" English is no doubt 1,000,000 times better than my "Englishie" French...

One thing most foreigners get wrong though, is it's lose, not loose.

I had a player over December to January who deposited $400 and withdrew $15,868!
Who says you can't win playing Rival casinos?
(Not me - I've done pretty good at them too! )

I don't think he will be losing (or loosing) it back in a hurry - so I will be negative for at least 12-18 months by my estimation...

PM on the way...

Thanks, KK

 

[KasinoKing]

Well PM's have gone back & fourth - but it's not looking good... :emoticon-0106-cryin
I'll post the final outcome here when I have it.

In the meantime I'm still waiting for somebody to point me to the T&C's where it says they have NCO!
(I'm looking for proper T&C's NOT the FAQs page which we know was wrong)

Anyone? Please?

KK

 

[KasinoKing]

I'm AMAZED at the lack of interest in this thread...

Maybe other Rival affiliates think it doesn't effect them - but one day it might come up and bite you in the ass like it did to me.

Remember, I signed up to Tradition believing they didn't carry-over negatives; they have admitted this is what the FAQs did say until last week.

I am only a small-time affiliate, but I brought in 59 new players to this casino in the 5 months since they launched.
Now, because just one player got very lucky in Dec/Jan I can not realistically expect to earn any commission off any other 58 players (plus any more who join after today) for a year at the very least...
I would never have signed up with Tradition if I knew they had NCO - so I could have sent those 59 players to a different casino.

You can probably tell that the result of my PMs was they said they would not remove my NCO - and they suggested that I should put their banners on all my home pages to try to encourage more players to sign-up and speed up the reduction of my negative balance...
Yeah right! Sure I'm going to do that instead of putting up banners for one of the other 180 casinos I promote who DON'T have NCO.
Sheeeesh!

When this happens to someone else, I will say "I told you so"

KK

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

Who knows KK, maybe they are proud of the fact that they are the only single Rival Casino Program that has negative carry over. I too remember when I signed up there that there was absolutely no mention whatsoever about any NCO!
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