The END of Shaving!

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Very interesting, but begs a lot of explanation, like how is testing done?
 
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Looks like they are hiring testers to deposit and play at the casinos that are being tested.
http://www.affiliatesecure.com/become-tester/

Nothing new about using that particular model to test the casinos.

Using paid players/depositors to check on the casinos has been tried several times in the past by several different outfits. But none of them were able to make the model work. I hope these guys can, because we really NEED something like this.

I do have to say that as of today's date, I agree with ALL their ROGUE findings.

I have known Wager Junction and Rewards have been shaving for years and years...


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Also just noticed they have a Guard Dog Seal on their site... Nice :)
 
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slotplayer said:
how do you know this?
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Same way these guys at the Affiliate Secure Protect figured it out.

Hmmm.... surprised you didn't know.

But I see you promote Windows heavily, so test them yourself... ;)
 
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Re. testing:

Purposeful shaving happens mostly with BIG players. Most tests are inaccurate for that reason, because no one spends the money that a high roller would during these tests.

So basically, the testers are not going to be moved out of the account most times, while a high depositor at the same outfit would be.

IMO high rollers are a lot more frequent than people think. You just don't get to see them.
 
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I Agree!!!

Unless you test with big deposits and lose its going to hard to really know if shaving exists.

Most programs are smart about this! These day especially.

Some programs though will still shave on anything. So when i read this site its a good tool but you still must keep in mind if you have high rollers this is not type of site that will know if high rollers are being shaved.

Well at least they do not share how they test and how much is being tested.

All i know for sure! - this is my OPINION!

GURU Revenue does not shave - and this includes HIGH ROLLERS! - I feel 100% certain of that as of today :)

Surprised they are not on AGD to be honest.


dominique said:
Re. testing:

Purposeful shaving happens mostly with BIG players. Most tests are inaccurate for that reason, because no one spends the money that a high roller would during these tests.

So basically, the testers are not going to be moved out of the account most times, while a high depositor at the same outfit would be.

IMO high rollers are a lot more frequent than people think. You just don't get to see them.
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slotplayer said:
I can't test them. I'm in the US or I would.
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Windows does not take US players? Since when?


dominique said:
Re. testing:

Purposeful shaving happens mostly with BIG players. Most tests are inaccurate for that reason, because no one spends the money that a high roller would during these tests.

So basically, the testers are not going to be moved out of the account most times, while a high depositor at the same outfit would be.

IMO high rollers are a lot more frequent than people think. You just don't get to see them.
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I have seen some casinos shave on $25.00 deposits... Many many times.

I do agree that whales are targeted for shaving more often than low rollers... but low rollers get shaved as well, greed has no minimums.
 
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lots0 said:
Windows does not take US players? Since when?
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windows is playtech. no usa players as far as I know.


I have seen some casinos shave on $25.00 deposits... Many many times.

I do agree that whales are targeted for shaving more often than low rollers... but low rollers get shaved as well, greed has no minimums.
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there is a huge player grab on now. Be dilligent in watching your end.
 
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80% of deposits are from 2-3% of players and these players deposit over 5k.
In my opinion, is it possible to check tracking, but to prove shaving is not easy...

And, big players can be marketed to other casino at affiliate program level or at software level, the data can be stolen by an insider and sold, etc...

To stop this paranoia, check your results - if you send hundred of players just compare player value and click value for different aff programs - in this way you will find right casinos for your site to promote and will make more money.
 
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I noticed that the Guard dog seal is no longer on Affiliate Secure...

whats going on Andy?
 
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I noticed that the Guard dog seal is no longer on Affiliate Secure...

Andy, do you know whats going on?
 
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I am working with them... they ARE a good group :) They took the seal down before I talked with them. The seal was on the template because we have talked previously, but simply wasn't approved yet.

Still working out details. This auditing is necessary and we want to be involved as much as we can.
 
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HI

Hi to all AGD members.

First I would like to thank Andy and all the members who gave us good feedback and supporting us.

We are sorry that only now we are joining in but its been hectic since we launched AffiliateSecure.com officially.

We are certain that there are lots of questions and concerns regarding how we are doing our tests and who we are. Of course we cannot say anything at this stage and we will never reveal our testing methods, otherwise whats the point.

I can assure you that we know all the tricks and reasons for an Operator to shave your players and we are randomly checking this all the time. Even if an Operator is marked as "Ok" does not mean we dont Scan them from time to time.

In order for us to continue doing tests and assuring a fair payout for your hard work WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT! if all of us unite together against this we can assure you that there will be no one that will take the risk and it will be the end of Shaving.

How to Support us?

We are giving out our "AffiliateSecure Supporter" Seal for Affiliates to place on their sites - Just email us to info@affiliatesecure.com and we will send it right away.
We also appreciate your "like" on our facebook page and posting about AffiliateSecure in all Forums.

Feel free to apply for becoming our testers, the more we are the stronger we get!!!

Thank you

Anonymous Member of AffiliateSecure
 
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