Sportsbook affiliate question

Discussion in 'General Casino Affiliate Area' started by Betpartners, Apr 10, 2009.

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    Betpartners

    Betpartners New Member

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    This is my very first post here so first and foremost i would like to say Hi ;D

    Secondly i hope i have posted this is in the right area.

    I am looking to expand my affiliate areas to include USA players on sportsbooks, as you know there are not that many because of the laws.

    I did a search on here and in an old thread bookmaker was recommended, i ahve an account with them and was about to start to promote them but came across this in the terms and conditions

    4.1b b. Affiliate will earn commissions for the life of a Customer, on all transactions the Customer carries out at Bookmaker.com. Affiliate is required to have a minimum of 10 active players during the previous week to withdraw/transfer their earnings.

    If i am reading this right it means i must have 10 active affiliates in the previous week to be entitled to a payout, regardless of the amount.

    Surely this cannot be right, can it?

    I have looked at others like legendz, the greek, betjamaica and quite a few others and they all have negative carry overs, no good then, i ahve bet365 in my stable as the only negative carry over in europe and dont want anymore.

    I know intertops are excellent and they will be my primary book, but i need two more that are highly regarded and i dont seem to be able to find any.

    So my questions are first, have i got the bookmakers conditions right and second apart from intertops can anyone recommend a highly regarded sportsbook that has lifetime commision, with no negative carry over and that accepts USA players.

    Thanks in advance
     
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    Guard Dog

    Guard Dog Guard Dog Staff Member

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    I stopped promoting Bookmaker a long time ago for this exact reason. Couple that with the fact that their conversions were pure crap (for me), makes them a VERY poor decision for promotion.

    I promote:

    BetUS
    Bodog


    Those are my 2 primaries.
     
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    Betpartners

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    Thanks for the quick reply

    I sort of never considered Betus because of their low rating over at SBR, i am weary of promoting a book that is not highly rated for punters as well as affiliates, though i dont trust SBR ratings on european books.

    Bodog are higher rated as punter friendly but they have not had the best press over the last 18 months,

    But their terms are what i am after, i suppose its a judgement call really, they are both not rated that low and maybe i am putting to much stock in SBR's opinion.

    Think i will give these two a go but monitor their reputations at all the rating sites.

    Again thanks
     
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    Intertops

    Intertops Affiliate Program Representative

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    Great! Please let me know, if there is anything I can do for you!
     
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    bonustreak

    bonustreak Administrator Staff Member

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    affcorner Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    check out betphoenix, I encourage you to do your research!
     
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    Lou

    Lou Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    If you talk to the guys at Bookmaker you can probably get them to list that restriction. I promote them an get some decent checks on occassion without those restrictions.
     
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    Lou

    Lou Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    I am interested in getting some people's opinion on Commission account and sportsbook.com
     
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    tryme1

    tryme1 Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Sportsbook.com have an appalling reputation. I don't promote them and wouldn't.

    Referring back to the original post and thread - Bookmaker.com's restrictions are ridiculous. BetUS also have minimum player requirements.

    I wouldn't trust a sportsbook that didn't carry over negatives. This isn't casino gambling. This is a different industry altogether.

    Incidentally, I agree with BetPartners over SBR's ratings of European bookies. It's very strange that Bet365 and Ladbrokes etc can never seem to get past the B+ rating, where as sportsbooks based in Costa Rica get A ratings.

    I mean, clearly BetOnline.com (who I actually like, incidentally) must be far more reputable than Johnny-Come-Latelys like Ladbrokes who have only been around for 110 years or so.
     
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    Lou

    Lou Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    I've sent over 100 players to BetOnline in the past year since joining and according to my stats, only one of them deposted. They are either horrible at getting deposits approved or they are fudging their reports.
     
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    Lou

    Lou Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    The most trustworthy affiliate managers I ever worked with is at BetUS and I will keep promoting them as long as she is there. I have no problem sendig them players every month.
     
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    Guard Dog

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    I've heard good and bad things about BetUS, but with my traffic (MMA) they do better than anyone else as far as conversions go. And Travis is way on top of all that over there.

    I like BetUS... their targetted-themes are really a ton better than the rest as far as I can tell.
     
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    Lou

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    Yea, I heard Travis got affiliate manager of the year from the Gaming Online Magazine awards which is voted by the people. They do have great affiliate managers there. BetUS is currently where Bodog used to me, in my opinion.
     
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    tryme1

    tryme1 Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Lou, your point about BetOnline is interesting. I've only recently started pushing them hard because they tend to have better than usual UFC odds but I'll keep a close eye on things.

    BetUS do have all the tools to make the job easier and, as GuardDog says, they do have proper landing pages and so on.
     
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    Lou

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    tryme,

    I am not saying BetOnline is dishonest, but maybe they just aren't good at getting deposits through for U.S. players. They seem like a book where its hard to get conversions. If I send a book a few thousands clicks and I don't start to see some earnings and deposits, I will stop promoting them, that is unless they paid me upfront.

    I have had some piss poor results with EarnReal (SportsBetting.com). I think I am finished with them as I haven't seen a dime from them since I started sending them traffic a year ago (over 10,000 clicks)

    BetUS has treated me very well in the past. My affiliate manager there is now the head of marketing and I have know her for a long time. She told me a while back, that she "wouldn't ever work with a book that didn't pay affiliates or players". I think a lot of the negative feedback about BetUS comes from their old reputation. They have really come along way. I would give them the "most improved book in 2008". They are also the best at getting U.S. deposits approved.

    Just my $0.02....

    Lou
     
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    Sports.com

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    Hi to everyone here - new poster.

    Although we just are launching the affiliate program for our product for the very first time ever - this being said - we are not new to the online affiliate world - in fact both myself and the additional staff from DimeCash come from extensive affiliate backgrounds with several years of combined experience.

    What we see in the affiliate world on the gaming side is communication, lack of really solid stats and willingness to work with affiliates to get them not only current but really innovative tools for them to better convert traffic is actually quite lacking. (this is a very general statement but one that I've personally seen multiple times)

    One of the big problems that I've seen in this industry so far is really the lack - sub-par programming and automation features available in affiliate software such as IA & NR - in reality things should be much further developed and run much more smoothly. :emoticon-0179-headb

    I personally would like to find out what the affiliates in this business are really looking for to help improve their ROI and ROT.

    I look forward to an open dialog and I'm always available for your questions and ideas.
     
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    Guard Dog

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    Sports.com - I edited your post because you are NOT a certified affiliate program here. You may submit your information on the right - you will see an email for just that purpose.

    Otherwise - you are not allowed to post links and promote your organization here... This is reserved for programs that have shown they are affiliate-friendly by going through our process of certification.

    We don't allow just anyone to promote here.
     
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    justbookies

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    I strongly advise you avoid bookmaker.com. I had a nasty experience with them and they were inflexible about the 10 active clients bit. They were so incredibly rude by email that I stopped promoting them and walked away from the $2000+ they owed me (would be a lot more now no doubt). I have never had to do that with any other company in ten years of promoting firms. They sprung that clause on people AFTER they had started promoting them. They have a nasty management. Do not touch them. Ones I would recommend are firstly BetUS (as has been mentioned already). Their conversions are excellent. Also Bodog, who after a problematic period seem to be back on track with their affiliate program. Also Intertops are good. I love the fact they pay so amazingly fast (unusual for a US-facing sportsbook).
    On another point, i do not go along with the comment to expect negative rollover. Plenty of excellent companies do not rollover negatives. You do not have to accept it with sportsbooks at all. One exception when promoting to Uk and Europe is Bet365, who are excellent but do carryover negatives. If they would just drop that they would be the best by two miles (rather than just the best by a mile).
     
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    GFPC

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    Just an aside!

    Recently bought a super Sports book domain and plan on getting the site up in at least 1-2 months time...

    Does anyone have some advice on maybe the best 5-10 programs to promote?

    Like wise - anyone know of good constant steady writers who can write good quality posts that can convert?

    Would greatly appreciate any advice.

    Cheers

    S
     
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    Travis

    Travis Affiliate Program Representative

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    Much Appreciated!

    We’d like to thank our Partners and non-Partners here for their positive comments about the BetUS Partners Program. We appreciate it and look forward to improving our program to better suit your needs. Much appreciated!
    If you have any questions please visit us at Affiliates@BetUS.com
     

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