RedReturns.com banned me for no reason

lucasworkshop

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Hello,
I have steped into a RedReturn.com promotion yesterday and since I am into gambling business for 6 years and I know quite a lot of people that gamble online...

My usual technique is to ask people if they want to try out a new casino for free in the manner that I give them full cashback for minimum deposit to try it out...

I understand that this is not possible with CPA deals because it's a suicide but I am working on revenue share which means I am spending my own money to get casino players and it's my own thing...


RedReturn.com representative asked me how did i get these 5 referrals and i told everything as is... they shut down my affiliate account ...

that's it about them :)

It is simply hilarious because I am working on revenue share lol... which means if I pay $100 for 5 new entrances if all the money is lost i will get back $25 lol... I can only earn if at least one of my referrals comes back and deposits again, possibly more then one time lol...


so what is the problem with them?
they just closed my account saying that I broke their terms and that this is unethical in this industry lol...


Am I dumb or my affiliate manager is dumb? One of us surely is lol...

I called him to discuss mathematics and explain how exactly I am ruining their business lol... but he doesn't want to explain.


I don't remember that any casino complained about it as long as I work on rev share only lol... so i realy didn't get this... any suggestions?
 

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Strange thread title... you said "banned without reason", but then gave the exact reason in your post! :confused:

There is a VERY good reason why casinos do not allow the actions you did.
I'm not going to spell it out on a public forum, because it could encourage more unscrupulous people to try the scam, which is very harmful for EVERYONE in this industry - including innocent players. :(

KK
 

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so... they called you? only you? lol... you better call for more backup :)

Your "VERY good reason" means nothing... you can not spell it because you do it all the time...


speak numbers to tell your opinion or remain silent... because you seem like RedReturns puppy... they called you because you are like KasinoKing, respectable webmaster in the industry lol... so people will kind of listen to you hehehe...


let's take a look at your site KasinoKing:

High Noon - $60 free, no deposit
Circus Casino - £25 free, no deposit
Crazy Vegas - $/€/£ 3,000 free-play
Slots Oasis - 400% up to $4,000


lol... offering free play?

in what way you are different then me?
in this way = your bonuses are bull***t...


and my bonuses are real money to member's MB account... cash advance on my "friend's" accounts (not cashback, I didn't explain well before)... and since I am a casino manager for 6 years I think I know whom I can ask if they want to play...


so just keep on walking... I know exactly why are you here defending them...

and don't call me a scammer again because you will knot your tongue yourself...
 

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and yes I forgot...

I go to your site and read on top:

KasinoKing - Consistently profiting online since 2001!

so what is actualy harmfull to people? what were you saying?

man... you just steped into the wrong mud this time...
 

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so... they called you? only you? lol... you better call for more backup :)

Your "VERY good reason" means nothing... you can not spell it because you do it all the time...


speak numbers to tell your opinion or remain silent... because you seem like RedReturns puppy... they called you because you are like KasinoKing, respectable webmaster in the industry lol... so people will kind of listen to you hehehe...
I haven't got the faintest idea what you are talking about - which I think makes 2 of us...

I never said they called me, did I?
I have never spoken to anyone from RedReturns, ever.

Maybe you thought I was being specific to you when I said "they have very good reasons"...?
Well I wasn't.
I was speaking generally about this rule which most affiliate programs apply to all their affiliates.
Sorry if you took it the wrong way.

Also I never accused you of running any sort of scam.
Maybe you'd better read my first post again...


KK
 
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I haven't got the faintest idea what you are talking about - which I think makes 2 of us...

this makes only one of us that hasn't got the idea... and it's you... I told you clearly all facts and you can calculate...

I never said they called me, did I?
I have never spoken to anyone from RedReturns, ever.

I simply do not belive you...

Maybe you thought I was being specific to you when I said "they have very good reasons"...?
Well I wasn't.
I was speaking generally about this rule which most affiliate programs apply to all their affiliates.
Sorry if you took it the wrong way.

none affiliate program prohibits sending money to players if you work on revenue share...


Also I never accused you of running any sort of scam.
Maybe you'd better read my first post again...
KK

sure you acused me...

read your sentence:

I'm not going to spell it out on a public forum, because it could encourage more unscrupulous people to try the scam, which is very harmful for EVERYONE in this industry - including innocent players.

this wasn't ment for me? I doubt it...

there are tons of casino aff programs... do you see me complaining about any other?

RedReturns shut down my account without a good reason... of course, I know that legaly they protected themselves with the sentence "We have a right to close your account if we decide to and don't need to explain why"

and it's ok :)
they shut down my account with 100% rights and I have a full 100% right to write about it...

I am frankly tired of bull***t so let's do some real action ...


and enough talking about honesty in gambling... everyone knows... to get money in casino you need to get RoyalFlush or Poker or something... or it is just not your day... so this is where the honesty talk stops... everyone choose for themselves if they will go into a casino...


and you know what trigered me the most?
it's not the $100 I gaveaway at all.. but the affiliate manager that doesn't want to speak with me lol

I am like a child, if they ignore my existance then I make a big mess like Legolas in LOTR... maybe I am too much of a movie fan lol


Never in my life I have heard or seen that affiliate program that works on revenu share doesn't allow members to give away cash advance... that is hilarious and backed up with nothing

You know what else? I think I am the only man on earth that actualy give real money to someone for free lol... well maybe there are few more idiots like me... but we are certanly only few...


btw: one of my friends walks out with €103 and deposited €20 :) hehe... at least that lol... they will cry for these €80 I am 100% sure of it lol ... 100%...

please... I don't have a problem with you...
it is their representative that should be here and then we can entertain people :) isn't it true KK?

it is only a discussion after all here... they told me to read about their reputation here so here we are
 

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lucasworkshop, what exactly is your problem?

You get banned for unethical affiliate practises and then you come on here and attack a member.

You are obviously new in this business and it seems you are having problems understanding the basics of how an ETHICAL Casino business runs.

What you were doing would get any affiliate banned in ANY casino that is honest... End of story.

And if your so thick that you can't understand why... Maybe you should look for another business to get into.

Oh ya, you owe KK an apology. KK was only trying to help you and you acted like a real jerk to him.

P.S. The casino rep is not going to go public... You really don't have a clue, do you...
 
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I agree with lots0, there's no need to be such an ass.

You came here looking for help, didn't like the answer you got from KK, so you jumped all over him.

man... you just steped into the wrong mud this time...

lol piss off...
 

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one of my player referrals contacts support at RedFlush.com, a casino under RedReturns.com... no working email... no ansver... delivery deamon returned email...

nice casino and affiliate program :)


one of my referrals started with €20 and ended up on €103... requested withdraw back to MoneyBookers but no payment made yet :)

why do they need more then 48 hours to pay?


so now we make it 1 affiliate and 2 players unable to interact lol :)
 

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ok... KK I am truly sorry :)
Apology accepted! ;)

I'm sorry that I did write my first post rather in a hurry and I could have worded it better. I can understand why you might have thought I was criticising you, but I assure you that was absolutely not the message I was trying to convey.

KK
 

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Hi Guys,

I just want to clarify this situation.

We decided to close the affiliates account as we do not condone incentivizing players in this manner. There was no commission due and we decided it was best we part ways, once the affiliate informed us of how he was referring traffic. We are not accusing the affiliate of fraud, however this practice is open to unethical behavior. We cannot provide the details on how this is exploited, as this will increase the risk for the program.

Best regards,
Wayne
 
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We decided to close the affiliates account as we do not condone incentivizing players in this manner. There was no commission due and we decided it was best we part ways, once the affiliate informed us of how he was referring traffic. We are not accusing the affiliate of fraud, however this practice is open to unethical behavior.

There is your answer. The program is also well within their rights to take the action which they have taken.
 

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There is your answer. The program is also well within their rights to take the action which they have taken.

in his ansver he actualy told nothing :) :emoticon-0149-no:...

my friend won €103 in roulette and didn't get paid in RedFlush.com... why?
which rules she broke?... she deposited €20 and didn't even pickup the bonus... from €20 she got to €103... why isn't she paid?

there are your rules lol

let talk about it now a bit... I simply see we will need to post a review about RedFlush.com on 100 forums and then you will ge you asked for what...


and if we want to speek about ethics...

I think my method is the best there is :emoticon-0170-ninja

Only a mathematical explanation can satisfy me .

is gambling a profitable business?
yes

then if you want to succeed give people real money instead of bull***t...

that is ethical...


what is unethical is to ask people to put in their own money from something you will profit later... and continue to profit even more later... oh how unethical I was realy lol


let's find a casino player that thinks I am unethical :emoticon-0133-wait:
 

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so? :)

what do casino players think about my affiliate method of giving real cash advance for trying a casino to see if their games are random and s**t and all of the rest ? :)

any casino players in here? :D
 
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my friend won €103 in roulette and didn't get paid in RedFlush.com... why?
which rules she broke?... she deposited €20 and didn't even pickup the bonus... from €20 she got to €103... why isn't she paid?
It's impossible for anyone to make a judgement based on the amount of information you have supplied.
For starters, what reason did the casino give for not paying her?

so? :)

what do casino players think about my affiliate method of giving real cash advance for trying a casino to see if their games are random and s**t and all of the rest ? :)

any casino players in here? :D
I have been playing online casinos virtually every single day since 2001 - so I think I qualify!

I think the idea is good... but it doesn't matter what I think - the bottom line is that it's against the casino's rules.
To be honest, I only found myself out WHY this is against the rules a year ago - after being an affiliate for 4 years!

Trust me (or not!) - there is a VERY good reason for this rule.
If you really must know PM me & I'll tell you - but it is not something which should be posted on a public forum.

KK
 

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you see it's a good idea :)... and it does matter very much what you think... what is unimportant is what afiiliate managers think lol... only waht player's think is important...

gamblers will gamble anyway... and we are all a bit gamblers lol... but what is the reason that they should go into a casino that I am suggesting to them ? They are not stupid they know I will earn money from them lol...

I know what is the problem... addiction... but no one is addicted to gambling, all are addicted to a tought they will get a BIG WIN lol :)...

if someone has a gambling problem I give him money also, the technique is the same... give him the money and say... man, if you get the free money then it's your lucky day, if you don't win today stop chasing a jackpot of your life and go into casino only with your fun money... then he goes into casino and looses free money that he got then starts to think differently :)... but this is only a smal percentage of people with "a problem", big percentage knows exactly what they are doing and use their money that is ment to be spend for fun and games :) most people simply know what are the chances to get a Poker hand :)

you can not harm people by giving them something that is actualy 100% free... in most cases for the first time in their life lol

all I want is decent discussion and backed up with facts... since this is a public discussion I can't PM you...


It's impossible for anyone to make a judgement based on the amount of information you have supplied.
For starters, what reason did the casino give for not paying her?

she does not want to send them her documents because she has a verified MB account which means she is a verified person :)... the other reason is she is asking herself why are they asking her documents at all :) ...

of course it is casino's right to decline the payment in this case as they have stated in their terms that documents are sometimes neccessary :)

and it is our right to write about it again lol :)

but my common sense tells me that documents are neccessary in case that MoneyBookers account is unverified :)

but i realy realy don't care about that neither she cares... I entered some other discussions here on forum so it's cool :)
 
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lucasworkshop said:
if someone has a gambling problem I give him money also,
That is all I needed to know about you.

Your kind is not wanted in this business.

There is no lower scum than someone that would exploit an illness.


P.S. KK please don't tell this jerk anything.
 
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That is all I needed to know about you.

Your kind is not wanted in this business.

There is no lower scum than someone that would exploit an illness.


P.S. KK please don't tell this jerk anything.

lol :)
avoid me then man cause I am desease to this world I guess :emoticon-0178-rock: :)
 
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