No Negative Carryover issue

[Jack Lee]

Hi,

I would like to have your feedback on something. I signed up with a affiliate program that advertise no negative carryover. Its prompted every where on their site. I start sending players and then I notice something strange with my stats. Some players I knew where playing didnt give me any money.

Hidden in T&C I found the following. How do you think I should proceed about this?

"Individual players who win more than €10,000 in a single month are excluded from the ‘zero negative carry over’. Such players are isolated until they become ‘positive’ players again."

Clearly this program has negative carryover and advertised false information to me.

 

[KasinoKing]

They call this "Quarantine", not negative carry over.
Quite a lot of casinos I work with have this, and although I suppose you could call "false advertising", I think it's fair enough.

If you were on 40% and had a player win €10,000 one month, but then come back & lose it all the next month, the casino would have made €0 (in fact, they would have lost money due to operator & bank fees etc).
So then you want them to pay you €4,000 commission anyway?

The difference between this and "normal" negative carry over, is that only the big winning player is affected - all other players are not included in this calculation (including any winning up to €9,999 and losing it the next month )
Seems fair enough to me.

KK

 

[Skyla Burrell]

I'd say 60% of no NCO outfits have high roller clauses, it's not unusual.

 

[ARZ]

I think it´s fair enough. Just try to imagine yourself as the casino owner, you would do at least the same

 

[Biti]

This is a high roller policy.

Let's be realistic. A casino cannot give NCO to everybody without this kind of high roller terms. That would be a way too big risk.

 

[Jack Lee]

Oki. Didnt know it istandard. Is there any casinos that actual do offer "real" (in my book) negative carry over?

 

[KasinoKing]

Oki. Didnt know it istandard. Is there any casinos that actual do offer "real" (in my book) negative carry over?

Don't you mean "real NO negative carry-over"?

If so - there are lots - but I couldn't name them
Because programs who have "quarantine" is not something I look for - I only look for Negative Carry-Over... and avoid it like the plague!

KK

 

[AussieDave]

"Quarantine" or if you prefer "Corralling", hasn't always been in force.

Back when I started in 2000 and right up to around circa 2011/2012 it wasn't a common practice.
Negative Carry Over was a lot more common back then.

Of the two, I'd rather "Corralling" than NCO any day. As others have said, only players winning 10K or > are affected

 

[The Stone]

I think this is fair enough as it's only applied to high rollers. It's the ones who use 'quarantine' for all winning players and then claim they don't have negative carry over that piss me off.

 

[AussiePunter]

Nah fuck off, that is bullshit - no negative rollover means just that.

No negative rollover* (unless they win so much that we don't you to earn what's rightfully yours, or we are shit at business) is what they should have written.

Turnover does not mean losses. Get that? Say I deposit 50,000 euro, pound or perhaps Irish moneys after May, and I win every single bet for a month. Unlikely. I know. The only reason this could ever be a problem is if they withdraw that and never bet again, in which case, fuck you business, that was your choice. The next month, this punter is flying high, can't lost, has a ton in the bank, doesn't even need to deposit. Goes fucking nuts, betting on everything. Oh shit, money's running low, but that's alright, I made a shitload last month (gamblers, whales who can afford to drop that much anyway don't really care about the money, it's the feeling of winning) So they end up losing all of their winnings, all of their deposit in the next month, and then they deposit another 100k because they want to have a big balance in their account.

Exceptions to every rule, but every whale I have had has followed that kind of pattern, not exactly of course - sometimes the fuckers win when it seems impossible for them to do so - especially on the second last, or last day of the month - but that could very well have been the affiliate manager/affiliate program owner changing a few numbers here and there.

My point is that I had whales fuck my entire month up, next month they lost all their winnings and I had a fucking great month. There's also been the case where they go on hiatus for a few months, then come back losing more than ever before.

If you don't want whales and you don't want to get what your traffic is worth, go for a percentage of turnover. Guaranteed a reasonably similar amount each month that way, but you'll never get massive months either, on the plus side, there''ll never be any negative carryover. I reckon you're throwing money away if you don't choose lifetime revshare, until that lifetime turns out to be completely full of shit, but that's life.

 

[AussieDave]

(gamblers, whales who can afford to drop that much anyway don't really care about the money, it's the feeling of winning)

@AussiePunter - that's the TRUTH right there!
Every single whale I've had, or continue to have, fits within the player model as you described.

It's the rush they crave

 

[Jack Lee]

Well, Im fine with the term, but promoting no negative carry over then having this hidden in terms is not ok by my book. I reviewed many terms now since I spotted this at Trada Affiliates and majority dont have this rule at all.

I think Trada Affiliates should stop promoting that they offer no-negative carryover when this is not the case!

The impact this have is about 10 - 15% extra profit a year for the average affiliate.