Netrefer a load of old tosh???

Discussion in 'Affiliate and Program Issues' started by Casino-Matt, Dec 30, 2015.

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    Casino-Matt

    Casino-Matt Yes No Casino

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    I just posted a long post on gpwa with my gripes about netrefer. Without repeating myself, to summarise in general I feel Netrefer programs return at most 25% of the success that programs using other software return. Worst case scenario is GoWild v Fullcream which with equal placings returns 3%.

    First I would like to ask why Netrefer cant list us deposit amounts?

    But secondly and more importantly is it the casinos robbing us or are Netrefer in on it too?

    What are your feelings and experiences overall?
     
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    3joker

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    Netreferer can list deposit amounts. I can see them on both earnaffiliates and ellmount affilaites for example.
     
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    slotplayer

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    I put it up there with IA software.
     
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    CaseyM

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    I like Netrefer also, never had any negative issues, does Full Cream take UK players? I know Go Wild don't so perhaps this is the issue with them if you have a lot of UK traffic?
     
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    Guard Dog

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    I don't think Netrefer is the issue, personally. They, out of all of them, have an API that has been used by third parties. To me that says transparent. NOW - the issue with all of these is implementation. A program can implement what they want. That means maybe NO deposit summary for some and YES for others. Same with many other features.
     
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    Casino-Matt

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    Very good point about Ellmount. Why is this not standard for all groups?
    Ellmount by the way are one of the Netrefer groups I do trust!
     
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    Kadabra

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    Exactly, I'm sure Netrefer system allows to show all stats - I mean everything that comes from the software provider API. The programs just choose not to show it.
    I assume Netreffer work on fee + % of netgaming so they have no interest in shaving affiliates.

    BTW, i won't be surprised if Ellemount Gaming will take the deposits off as well after seeing these threads (makes the other Netrefer programs look bad :))
     
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    tobbe

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    Or keep it and make themself stand out and look good, comparing to the rest who doesn't provide deposit details.
     
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    AussieDave

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    Playing the Devil's Advocate...

    An API is only as good/trustworthy as the data it's displaying. If the "stats" information is not being passed to affiliates or if the data is fudged, then it's just another part of the problem and not the solution. Transparency is all about ensuring the raw stats are 100% Kosher/Legit.

    The buck for this stops and lays at the feet of ALL affiliate programs, not a 3'rd party API.

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    How many program contact their affiliates and provide actually proof, regarding chargebacks for example? None that I know of. The 1'st most of us know about it is by a rude shock in our stats. What other business operates like this, where they make deductions and don't inform their business partners.... The current status qou of the affiliate model, is broken. It's no wonder these type of threads are springing up all over the place, these days.
     
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    Guard Dog

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    Anyone can play Devil's Advocate, but you have to know your coding in this case. I'm a programmer and have been for over 25 years. In reality, since I was programming Commodore 64's way back... it's been much longer. However - that wasn't professionally. I've been doing it professionally for large manufacturing companies for over 25 years.

    As far as API's. Netrefer didn't create an API to NOT work. They created an API that pulls data out of their system accurately every time. It's not something the end user has control over. It also means they have put the time and effort to make things transparent - because, if they are not, it is easy to see via an API.

    As far as the end user of Netrefer... it will *ALWAYS* depend upon the integration of data in how we the affiliates see it.

    But give credit where credit is due instead of Devil's Advocate - because in this case it doesn't help much. It essentially took a very positive thing (nice transparent API) and put a shroud of negativity over it, which it should NOT have. APIs are not 'part of the problem'. Not an accurate statement by a long shot.
     
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    AussieDave

    AussieDave 17 years & still going!

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    I'll let that backhanded (err slap) assumption, slip... I'm not about to let my ego, cloud this thread. Nice try though :D
     
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    Guard Dog

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    lol. Wasn't backhanding anything. I wasn't even saying you can't program. Re-read please because I think you took that personally when you didn't need to. I could have written it better, I'm sure.
     
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    Kadabra

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    You two should meet for a beer...

    There is nothing here really to argue about, since you both saying pretty much the same thing. (at least as far as I understand)

    Naturally, the stats can be cooked in all stages - the casino data, the 3rd party company, the data the aff program chooses to display. If i had to bet, stage 2 is not the problem cause the 3rd party has nothing to earn (in most cases), unless the customer specifically asks to do something.
     
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