HonestPartners Affiliate Program?

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    AussieDave

    AussieDave 17 years & still going!

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    A new casino has recently opened and honestpartners DOT com is their aff program. It's a bit like someone I don't know, saying, 'trust me'. If anyone says that to me, I run in the oposite direction. So what's the deal with this crowd, anyone know of them or heard anything about them?

    Not too impressed about their base commission @ 20% but they are pushing the AU themed casino so thought I'd ask if any member has heard of them & or any goss?
     
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    Guard Dog

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    20% isn't always bad. I ran a calculation the other day on a 30% (base) revshare program and the "Effective Revshare" was really 18%. HOWEVER - This is one again a program that uses a big admin fee:

    Bets – Wins – 23% Admin Fee1 – Paid Bonuses2 – Transaction Costs & Chargebacks – 15% UK Gambling Tax3

    So - let's say bonuses, transaction costs/chargebacks are nothing (compared to the rest) and that you had a player that spends $50k and wins nothing:

    $50,000 - $0 - 23% ($50,000 - $0) - 15%*($0 because he is Aussie) = $31k *20% (commission) = $6,200 = 12.4% revshare

    Now... if this were an Aussie Player (no UK Tax, right??) >>> $7,700 commissions = 15.4% revshare


    You thought 20% was bad, huh? :) You would really be getting a MAXIMUM of 15.4% revshare on the lowest tier. And probably somewhere between 12.4% and 15.4% if you have some UK players spread in there. If they use bonuses and transactional costs increase... well, you get the point. It's a mess.


    BTW - This doesn't just apply to them. It applies to A LOT of programs these days who are shoving admin fees at us to reduce our commissions. But with 20% revshare base - I expected NO admin fees.
     
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    PaaskeUK

    PaaskeUK Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Not difficult to negotiate 40% but I must say I dont think there is anything honest about them. Worked with them for months and not a single signup despite good ranking and also "Sh... loads of hits"
     
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    AussieDave

    AussieDave 17 years & still going!

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    So do I... but... how many programs don't tack on Admin fees etc, these days. Some openly disclose it, most don't, instead bury it in other deductions!
     
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    InstaCasino

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    Hi Guys, Thanks for your input.

    Our default commission is based on the amount of players you send, which makes it more profitable towards affiliates than other affiliate programs where the quality/deposits your players make decide what % you get.

    Your commission is always negotiable. If rev share isn’t enough for you we are open minded to work with fixed fee’s, hybrids or CPA as long as we can agree on a fair win/win deal this won’t be a problem.

    However you must keep in mind that all operators have a lot of costs - on top of paying affiliates their rewards. This is nothing new, and it’s how all affiliate programs operate. Everyone charges their affiliates an admin fee. The admin fee varies a lot and most affiliate programs won’t even state how much they deduct from your net rev before they pay you your commission.

    We are very clear about exactly how much we deduct with the admin fee and how we calculate your rewards. Let me know if there is anything that’s unclear with this and we will happily explain.

    @PaaskeUK I don’t understand what you feel isn’t honest? You’re talking about “loads of hits” but your best month with us you sent 22 unique clicks. If there is something you are not happy about or is unclear, feel free to contact us and we will be more than happy to help out.

    We have one of the industry’s lowest fee’s and considering the investments we’ve made in order to build our casino with licenses, games and payment providers, it’s pretty clear that we are in it for the long run. The name of the affiliate program is just a name, so I wouldn’t worry too much about that. ☺
     
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    AussieDave

    AussieDave 17 years & still going!

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    Really?

    If I send 6 players who each player drops $100, I receive 25%. However, If I sent 4 players and 1 of those players is a whale, who drops $30K and losses it, I still only get 20%.

    Yeah I can see how that's more profitable for me :rolleyes:

    These player tiers are just another way to scrap legit earnings from affiliates.
    Commission % should always be classed by how much money I make the casino.
     
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    slotplayer

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    Should be based on dollars and not quantity of players.
     
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    AussieDave

    AussieDave 17 years & still going!

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    Exactly... anything else means your getting shafted!
     
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    Engineer

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    I agree.
     
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    InstaCasino

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    Maybe using the word “profitable” above was confusing when this depends on what a player does which none of us have control over. Of course which one is more profitable depends on what the players do. The amount a player deposits and loses is beyond us, neither us nor the affiliate can guarantee what players will do in the future. However being in the industry for over a decade I cannot recall one time where a single affiliate sent as little as 4 casino players and one turned out to be a huge casino player.

    Technically in our opinion the default plan based on player numbers is more in your favour than the plans where your players need to generate certain amounts for you to qualify for a higher percentage commission. This is what we tried to explain when we mentioned ‘profitable'. When the tier is based on how much the players spend, that way you can only go up the commission ladder if you have a ‘whale' as you mentioned or lots of players. This kind of commission plan we propose can enable you to earn higher commissions by having a few players which means smaller affiliates can get good commissions too.

    As we said and as all the affiliates who spoke to us know, we are always open to negotiation. When legit affiliates approach us with their preferred commission structure we almost always come to an agreement. This means that if an affiliate agrees on a flat percentage, they get that flat percentage we agreed on together without player tiers (meaning whether they send 1 player or 10).

    We would like to make it clear that this discussion is on the default commission plan. I can’t seem to understand the issue when you can easily discuss your preferred commission plan with us if you sign up and prefer otherwise.
     
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    AussieDave

    AussieDave 17 years & still going!

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    Can't speak for anyone else other than myself... But dressing a pig in a dress - it still remains a pig. The fact you guys think it's ok to determine commission % by the number of players, as apposed to the dollar value an affiliate brings in, is the reason I wont be signing up. It's all about the mindset of the aforementioned.

    Granted your open to negotiate % comm BUT I don't sign a contract to buy a car per se, before agreeing on the price.
     
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    RyanWeb

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    Agreed.. What if I own something like highrollercasinos.com and the site doesn't get a lot of traffic, but the players I do refer from it are massive depositors.. ?
     
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    Guard Dog

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    I have been one of those affiliates who referred 1-5 players at a casino and 3-5 were large players.

    But - lets remember... This program is NOT CERTIFIED at AGD, so this is not a place for any sales pitches. And affiliates should not flock to test them out unless they become certified, IMO. Remember my calculations above. while you may think 20% revshare is low, it is really 12.4% revshare on UK players and 14.4% on non-UK players.
     
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    falseadoom

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    However you must keep in mind that all operators have a lot of costs - on top of paying affiliates their rewards. This is nothing new, and it’s how all affiliate programs operate. Everyone charges their affiliates an admin fee. The admin fee varies a lot and most affiliate programs won’t even state how much they deduct from your net rev before they pay you your commission.


    This is kind of like saying Affiliate have no costs which is not the case and a lot more cost then it use to be years ago. (really hate that mindset some programs have)
     
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    falseadoom

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    Programs always want to push players, but if a affiliate makes decent money from a program they will push without all these rules. It only make sense to push hard on those that generate income.
     
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    AussieDave

    AussieDave 17 years & still going!

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    I don't do huge numbers anymore but the majority of my NDP are not five-n-diming it. Hence we're on the same page :)

    Your either new to the industry or you've been working for casinos who attract low-rollers.

    Reverting to my OP... when someone says, "trust me", I run in the oposite direction. Because, every single time I have, I've been shafted. People who are honest, don't need to say it. Those who feel the need to, well...

    BTW I found out about this program & their AU facing casino by, yep you guessed it, being spammed!
     
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    InstaCasino

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    Usually in that case, when the affiliate is quite aware of what he/she can bring they would approach us with their preffered commission plan and as we explained we are very flexible when discussing deals.
     
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    Feel free to send us a private mail if you believe you have been spammed and we will take care of it as I can assure you we do not send out spam mails!
     
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    Usually in that case, when the affiliate is quite aware of what he/she can bring they would approach us with their preffered commission plan and as we explained we are very flexible when discussing deals.
     
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    KasinoKing

    KasinoKing Player turned affiliate.

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    How come the affy site says Instacasino has a UK licence, and at the bottom of the casino home page it says UK licensed...
    But when I visit the casino website a popup says I can't play? :confused:

    KK
     

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