Gibson VIP Casino Spam

[AussieDave]

Hi,

Not entily sure if this consitutes spam. However, it's driving me nuts. When Deiter ran this casino, I held an account. Think I played there once. Since that dodgy casino group bought ALL the refaffiliate casinos, I've been literally innudated with mailers from Gibson VIP Casino.

I've tried to have my account closed but, to no avail. I've also tried to have my email removed, that failed too. The mailers are sent from a USA server (peer1.com), all without unsubscribe links

Not sure under ther circumstance if these mailers which I can not unsubscribe from, by default, enacts the USA SpamCan laws. Either way, I'm sure if I'm being blanketed with the crap, so too are other players. More to the point, it shows this casino group up for ther sheer lack of integrity.

This is the email addy this crap is being sent from (happy email harvesting): Ron.HarrisvipClub@GibsonVIPCasino.com

 

[bonustreak]

I am getting a lot SMS from many thought to be dead Rival brands, a bit of an annoyance.

 

[KasinoKing]

I'm gutted to hear these brands are still even running

I worked very hard for 2 years with Dieter (who I thought was a good guy at the time) and built up a considerable player base as they slowly expanded to eventually run 11 casinos, and was just starting to see the rewards for my efforts... then BOOM! They sold the business to those total fuck-wits who instantly closed the affy programs and STOLE all my players.
Not a nice feeling to know those criminals are profiting from my hard work... and probably by ripping-off the players too...
At least I'm not getting spammed by them - that would be the icing on the shit-filled cake!

A reminder of all 11 casinos which were in the Refilliates Group:
Tropica
Cash O' Lot
Gibson
Ricardo's
Sahara Sands
Slot Powers
Vanguards
Bet Cave
Casino Lust
Go Fish Casino
Vegas Amped

KK

 

[TheGooner]

I get a lot of phone calls from "investment groups" aka Binary Options charlatans.


I believe my phone number was circulated from a list of affiliates attending last years Amsterdam Conference.
I have sorted it by banning all offshore calls to my cellphone (auto reject setting in phone) ...

But still a pain in the arse to have to do that ...

 

[AussieDave]

@TheGooner - unfortunately the spam etc, seems to go with the territory. But like yourself, it's the PITA drama that really annoys me. As I'm sure you do, like anothers, and I do too. We all have better things to do with out time, hey! That and that fact some arse wipe has gained/distributed our info. Being a known HR, I seem to get innundated with this crap. Worse is when they address me by my full name. Either a casino or aff program is selling my/our data

I worked very hard for 2 years with Dieter (who I thought was a good guy at the time)

No hard feeling this side, but yourself, like others here, took his side over him invalidating my winnings. There was a lot to that matter I didn't raise publically. But, right there and then (least to me) he showed his true colours. When his promise to look after affiliates didn't eventuate and, he then tried to say he too got ripped, well for me, it was just another load of Dieter BS.

After all this transpired, waltz's back to AGD, trying to rally up affiliates for his new casino. I mean seriously has the man go no scuples, or more to the point, no shame.

Point is, it can happen to the best of us KK - I know how it feels to be kicked in the guts by someone you've trusted

Edit:
Reminds me of a line from the movie "Get Him to the Greek"...
(reference to a joint containing a cocktail of drugs)

Why the fuck is it called a jeffery?
Cause who could be scared of a Jeffrey?
Yeah, Jeffrey's just this nice bloke from down the road, isn't he?

 

[BetReels]

Hi,

As we are currently busy with litigation regarding the Refilliates sale, I am unable to comment on anything relating to it.

As for not having scruples, I think most folks will disagree. I have always worked hard to help players and affiliates. You can find dozens of posts where I helped affiliates and players get paid from other programs not under my control. I am also working tirelessly with Nektan to change their business model to benefit our players (and therefore affiliates) more.

Regards,
Dieter

 

[AussieDave]

As for not having scruples, I think most folks will disagree.

Fact...You pledged a promise (on your own fruition) to your affiliate partners. Who, if it wasn't for the hard work of honest people like KK and other affiliates, your business wouldn't have grown. Instead, you broke that promise, leaving them high and dry.

Whether there's any truth in the litigation claims and, other excuses, I haven't seen any hard proof to date. Just talk and, that's cheap round these parts.

I don't know of too many affiliates/people who still think someone's OK, after that someone sold them out...just sayin!

 

[BetReels]

You seem to be incapable of understanding what transpired. In a nutshell: We sold and the new owners shut down the affiliate program. There was nothing we could do to foresee or prevent this. I did not break any promises and you have no idea what we have gone through to try and get the business back and affiliate commissions restored. I really don't know what else to say here.

As for the lawsuit, please feel free to contact Tom Crittenden at Makrell Turner Garrett (London) who is handling the matter on our behalf.

 

[AussieDave]

I'm well verse in what seems to have transpired, just that having heard way too many bs stories over the years, you'll need to pardon my cynicism here.

Lets look at this in another light then...

It's not uncommon within this industry for player database(s) to be copied. Then, affiliate tags are purged and, subsequently the copied DB is used to aquire new players at, a new casino. Of course I'm not infering you did this. I'm merely pointing out that while it's a highly unethical and a down right dodgy practice, it happens quite a lot - on a regular basis too, in the gaming industry.

Your taking legal action why? Because you claim you didn't receive monies owed... On that basis, affiliates who no longer earn (or receive) the life time commission they were contractually promised by your company, what should they do? Sue you!

Edit:
Food for thought...
If (as you state) your still owed monies for an agreed contractual business sale (that turned sour), and reiterating, that money has not been paid, then by its own virtue, it voids the contractual agreement of that SALE. In my view (I'm sure in a legal view too), your still the rightful owner of the aformention commerical entity (s).

 

[BetReels]

As soon as the court case is concluded, I will address this matter in full. It's taking some time to reach the courts, but we are getting there.

 

[BetReels]

p.s. I can address your theory about the player db been taken and used. Betreels launched 1 April 2016. Refilliates was sold 4 months later. Betreels could not take Refilliate's players because of country exclusions under our UK license.

I.e. we had no need or desire to keep the db.

 

[AussieDave]

we had no need or desire to keep the db.

I'll just have to take your word on that (Unless at a later date divergent information comes to light to conteract that "statement").

With relation to the sale (which I'm still unclear on what exactly got sold?), the events that took place in this "sale" and, what followed, not withstanding reaffiliates partners being shafted, seems bizarre to say the least. EG - Over the years I've sold a number of portals. That entire process goes through an Escrow service.

How is it that this "sale" went pear shaped, and as a result, took so many casualities?

Let me be clear on this, you've obviously received some monies on this "sale". Whereas affiliates have been sold down the river, so the speak.

The other thing that truly baffles me here is... Where does Rival fit into ALL of this. AFAIK, the casinos were always owned by Rival et al, and were given to you to manage. As one casino was resurrected and subsequently resuscitated, they (Rival et al) furnished you with another casino and so on.

Getting back to my question above, what exactly got sold?