ComeOn Affiliates disappointment - affiliates not approved

Discussion in 'Affiliate and Program Issues' started by www.bookmakers2u.com, Jun 20, 2013.

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    www.bookmakers2u.com

    www.bookmakers2u.com New Member

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    Reply from ComeOn earn (Jamie)

    Hi XXXXX
    thank you for application to be an affiliate, it is always nice to see the interest in promoting ComeOn!
    By looking at your site, I see that you have a sure/system betting section - and for that reason at this moment in time we are not able to work together.
    Please get back in touch if you have plans to remove sure/system/arbitrage betting from your site/sites/forum.
    Cheers!
    /Jamie

    So, I reply ComeOn about this 2 days ago. ( still no reply). Surebetting system to our site is more because we have a lot of visitors from here and people like that. (so I do not want to remove it). Many other surebetting sites is accepted. (I checked this). So I do not understand the reasoning at all. Moreover, they do not look up our site accurately because it contains so much more than free sure bets. That is only a VERY SMALL PIECE of our site. B2U offers online sportsbooks reviews, sportsbook rating guide, sports bonus guide, casino reviews, news updates, sports betting and much more....

    If ComeOn, Jamie Edwards sees this post so please reply here. So far, I have absolutely nothing to toast for. Now I hope for a more reasoning behavior from ComeOn Affiliate.
     
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    FictionNet

    FictionNet Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    WTF is sure/system betting? :)
     
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    tryme1

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    pinkytoe

    pinkytoe Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    Pretty sure its an arb bet finder.
    Arbitration betting is backing a weighted % across is three different bookmakers on a win lose draw scenario where the punter is guaranteed profit due to the differences in bookmakers lines.

    Regards to Come On - I'm not sure on the details of the situation but I have worked with them and sent decent volume and everything has been pretty smooth.
     
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    sasa

    sasa Affiliate Guard Dog Member

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    If you search google for "sure bets" and check top 5 sites with surebets you will notice that none of them promote Comeon so this is probably the reason.
     
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    Viriatu

    Viriatu Owner of a pure black heart...

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    oh man, is this news? shit me a dolar i cannot believe it FIctionNet!

    To the OP: Ye ComeOn follow this line! you are not the first one to be in this spot, a lot of guys in my country talk about this being that this kind of sites have way long history on helping users exploit every single euro in any bookmaker, odd or free bet... some sites around with paid subscription really do a great job and you can really make some money from some bookies if you have the time and patience for this.
     
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    baldidiot

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    You can see their point though, right? If I was a bookie I'd probably be doing the same thing.
     
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    Viriatu

    Viriatu Owner of a pure black heart...

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    in all honesty? no i dont, depending on the type of site and type of bet the bookie can make a buck because if this is a free bet against another free bet with a 2 outcome event, no chance for player to lose, but then he must make wagering on 2.0 + bets and make deposit to cash out.

    If it is more elaborate and is about covering all the ods and lines of betting in a 3 outcome result, betting 100 dolars in 3 ways and using 3 bookies, 2 bets will be lost despite one will win...

    So in anyway you look at it, the bookie gets a player and revenue, i see no reason to discriminate players and webmasters on their choice, and i think the same about rakeback despite me thinking its a different animal, because it lead to market cannibalization.... i understand but i still dont agree....
     
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    pinkytoe

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    With arbs, you are not signing up a good punter. You are signing up someone looking to book a win and withdraw.
    An arb bettor will not bet a random accumulator on a weekend or bet for fun (like the bookies want).

    While not exactly a pro sports bettor (as pros are too smart to bet arbs at online bookies) the kind of punter that that arbs traffic brings is zero value and one step away from being a professional in terms of what a bookmaker wants.

    That is the point baldidiot is making (i think).
     
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    baldidiot

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    Exactly - anything that's +EV for the punter is -EV for the bookie (regardless of whether or not that one specific player wins or loses, it's about the maths).

    A while back (we're talking 5 - 10 years) I heard of a relatively big bookie (although I'll be honest, I can't remember who it was just that there were one of the big UK ones) who put out a really obscure arb that no non-arbing punter was likely to be betting on. Every single account that placed the bet had their accounts flagged and in most cases, limited or closed.
     
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    TheGamblingGuru

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    That sounds exactly like how a ponzi pyramid scheme works! ;)

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    Viriatu

    Viriatu Owner of a pure black heart...

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    maybe we need a new thread to discuss this. Im sure from here on out we will derail a bit.

    Lets just make clear one thing, i am not a bookie webmaster, im in casino and poker but nowdays mostly casino. Im not a super punter also, although im not really a numb nuts, i made a living with small money many times in the past using nothing but net and a 2x25 paysafes to make sure bets, but i dont consider im a pro or nothing even remote to that.

    Having said that, i think you guys missed a point that was clear like water to me and i would not really like to post on a public board, but i will say this, the way some sites are setup, and the way the punters and newcomers are educated, leaves room for a lot of money to be made on the player part, with a fair chance of never being caught doing anything illegal or against the ToC. There is always a scenario you can take advantage of and even on 3 ways events you can make money, lose 2 bets and still win another bet with enough margin to make a profit, even if you had to split the 100 or 50 you start with in 3 ways, and even if the money you win is only between 1% to 6% of your initial money, even then its profit... if you spend an entire day with a 1k roll splited 10 times in 100 parts and you get a 5% return, your still making 50€ a day.

    As for the example you used BI, i cant say nothing without mentioning bwin bets, many times now i compare my odds in real time using team viewer with another member in my forum, because by accident in the europa league final, i made a bet on Benfica to win, the guy also, we hit it off on forum change emails and in the end, we saw that my odds, the older account with winnings, said one thing, and HIS odds, the noobish just joined player, well lets just say we add different values... and we are not talking about a net lag or something, this was noticeable in several events across the all sports section, so i think im sure some bookies odds are shit and are very manipulated. i think the odds should be fair for all or at least, equal to all users of a site.

    End of the day, my point on this matter is this, if the player does a shitty bet and loses its ok to take his money, i dont think anyone disputes this, what i dont agree is anyone disputing the time, search and balls of someone putting their money in on a bet, winning, and not getting paid, that for me is inadmissible.
     
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    Viriatu

    Viriatu Owner of a pure black heart...

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    not at all, you need to find odds for winning losing and tie, divide the result of the bets in a way, that, you bet, top probability xx$ another one less likely xx$ and another one xx$ but in a way that winning ANY of them, you will win 106, no matter if its the loss, win or tie of your team, what matters is your ability to find odds fitting this criteria...
     
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    pinkytoe

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    You are not really addressing the issue. Arbing is a of no value to a sportsbook.

    The issue that is 'clear like water' is not the issue. We know you can make loot arbing. The issue is, the sportsbook has no interest in players looking to take advantage of their odds. You can try swing it saying that it is not against the terms and conditions but in reality have their backs covered. Fair or unfair - they are here to make money.

    I'm sure you can be limited/banned under this Come On term.

    1.4 The player understands and acknowledges that the games and any other services provided on the site are for entertainment purposes only. Any use of ComeOn for any other purposes or intentions is strictly prohibited. You hereby acknowledge that your interest in the games and other services provided by ComeOn is of a personal nature.

    With regards to your initial post: They are within their rights to not accept your affiliate account.
    If your players are coming from a site that promotes arbing, then the chances are, your traffic is not wanted by them (or any sportsbook affiliate program. Of course if you feel that the arbing is only a tiny fraction of your traffic, you can feel hard done by - but it is up to them to decide if they want to take the risk on you.

    I am not motivated to look at the affiliate program T & C's but I'm sure they refer to the traffic sent and the ability to have the final say on an affiliate account.

    While I'm sure your intentions are honest and you just want to help/educate players beat the bookies and make money - arbing is seen as a little dirty in the bookmakers eyes. The have their backs covered in the player T&C's and the affiliate account T&C's. They are here to make money and betting is for entertainment purposes only.
     
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    Marty

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    Any bookie that is as scared as Come On needs a new linesmaker. Tell them you do not want them on your site and to contact you when they have a real sportsbook.

    Before most sportsbooks stopped taking bets from USA players. Pinnacle used to take bets with very high limits and frequently offered arb opportunities, but their linesmaker always seemed to make sure Pinnacle would benefit from this.
     
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    PlayHippo

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    Coming from the operator side - but not offering sport betting now, arb betting is a bigger problem then many thinks.
    Cause it drains the system of money, yes an operator can have a "good run" and be on the streak where the player looses their bets, and other operators take the loss. But in the long run that is going to even out among the operators the player use to make their arb betting. So say after 1 year, all operators will be on a loss with those players.

    Then adding CPA or Revshare deals on top of those players, then you went into even bigger negative numbers. One way of solving it short term was to put them on negative carry over so they could not abuse rev share to get a refund on the lost bets.

    Also some partners, created accounts with 60-100 players and made decoy bets with some players and huge bets with another player but then looking at the entire group of players as 1 player the trends become quite clear, that there are no "gambling" going on, just a very clear pattern to maximize the winnings. So I can absolutely understand why an operator chose not to promote their brand on a site that get a lot of traffic from a arb betting site.

    Same thing with operators that dont want to be on rake back sites either, and it went so far that the big poker networks had to completly change the way rake is calculated and paid out to the operators, but that is a completely different story.
     
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    PlayHippo

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    Regarding this - it is mainly that some bookies sell of their odds, like betfair, they do not care about arb betters etc, cause they are just taking a vig on the betting action between two punters so they have removed the risk, but you need enough action going on to make it profitable, or to get in the players so they always can place a bet.
     
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    NDG

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    I don't know a whole lot about sports betting, but the casino has the right to choose
    who they want to promote their sites. While the vast majority of them will accept
    just about anybody, their are some that will glance over your web site first.

    You are promoting a betting system that supposedly works against the bookie, so
    they obviously aren't interested in paying for advertising (revenue share) to bring
    in new players using a system, that they don't really want in the first place.
     
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    Gentling

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    if the player wins, than they only loose on a cpa deal.. revshare would be not paid as revenue is in minus ... doohh
     
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    Gentling

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    thats why we all welcome regulations .. in this way they cant act as they want always and needs to follow some rules ...
     

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