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    GamblingGuru : when you sign up in an affiliate program, you don't have to wonder you if there is or not NCO. Because if there is not NCO, it's usually on banners on homepage or stated several times in "commission page".

    And for sure, if there is not mention of NCO in commission page, i think you can be sure that negative report carries over.

    Last, probably 90% of affiliates programs in gambling have NCO : Igaming.pro is not an exeption at all. Perhaps most of Rival casino didn't apply for NCO, i recongnize that i don't know and, really, i don't mind. If everybody were brune, tanned and high tall : world would be boring...

    Concerning Kasinoking he has an answer from me : when the question is only "remove me my negative report" without any possibility to have a fair deal together, i deeply consider that i don't have to make any effort. What Kasinoking asked me was a favor : he refused to provide to me any elements in order to convince me to accept.

    If effort has to be made, it will be only with my loyal affiliates or with affiliates abble to understand that i'm not here to make some gifts, i don't have to make such efforts only because an affiliate ask me to do this or to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igaming.pro View Post
    Last, probably 90% of affiliates programs in gambling have NCO.
    Perhaps most of Rival casino didn't apply for NCO
    Where did you get that figure?
    I reckon it much more like 5% max.
    No other Rival casino that I am aware of has NCO - that's 30 casinos who don't have it for starters...

    Quote Originally Posted by Igaming.pro View Post
    Concerning Kasinoking he has an answer from me : when the question is only "remove me my negative report" without any possibility to have a fair deal together, i deeply consider that i don't have to make any effort. What Kasinoking asked me was a favor : he refused to provide to me any elements in order to convince me to accept.
    You asked me to put banners on my home pages to increase conversions for which I would earn nothing until the NCO was cleared - if ever.
    I refused, but pointed out that Tradition was ALREADY very well positioned on all 5 of my websites, being 4th or 5th in my list of best Rival casinos.
    Asking for more was unreasonable IMO.

    Look, it is your prerogative to run you business how you like; the only reason I am pissed-off is that when I signed up with you your FAQs did not say you had NCO. If they had I would never have signed-up because NCO is a nightmare waiting to happen for smaller affiliates. As far as I am concerned you have "stolen" 59 players from me who I could have sent to a different Rival without NCO.

    No-one else seems to care though - so that's the end of it.
    No need to carry on this pointless debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KasinoKing View Post
    As far as I am concerned you have "stolen" 59 players from me who I could have sent to a different Rival without NCO.
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    "Stolen"? How dare you writting such things? You should be ashamed to have such attitute. You brought us 59 players in 5 months, not 59 depositors!

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    Actually, I do care about this thread.... been watching it carefully. What I have taken from this is:

    1. The website said that there was No NCO.
    2. KK signed up when he felt there was No NCO.

    As a result he sent 59 players (no matter if they deposited or not) and feels that these players were sent in error.


    If I promoted Tradition Casino at that time... I would be furious. I think many affiliates would as well.

    iGaming Profits (funny how the name is close to IGaming.Pro) also had NCO originally... but soon found that with no affiliates promoting them, they had to change to No NCO.

    That is your choice to have NCO or to not have it. But you should not be upset with KK because of your own error. I have a real problem with that.

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    Sorry but terms + our commission page never stated that there wasn't negative report : it's our contruactual pages! A FAQ page cannot considered as contractual. When each affiliate signed up, they agreed with these 2 pages :

    => igaming.pro/en/commission-affiliation/

    => igaming.pro/fr/termes-et-conditions/

    More, in our T&C, you can exactly find :

    "Before becoming an Affiliate, please be certain that you have read and understood this agreement in its entirety. Your use of this website and/or registration as an Affiliate constitutes your agreement to these terms and conditions. The terms and conditions on this page are updated periodically so be sure to refer back often to assure that you are familiar with all of the terms and conditions at all times; you the Affiliate will be bound by these changes."

    Last, you can also find :

    11.2 Please see the Commission Schedule which sets out the choice, selection, calculation and certain payment aspects of Commission, which Commission Schedule is specifically incorporated herein by reference.

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    If you feel and act this way, then I have no problem not having you on my websites

    Sorry, but misinformation on your website (even though.... as you point out... it is not contractual), is misinformation and leads people to signing up.

    If you put No Negative Carryover in your FAQ... And did NOT have it mentioned anywhere else... (which is true)

    Then NOBODY would have thought you have negative carryover. Give us a break. I'm glad you fixed the problem - but you are not taking responsibility for the mistake you DID make. And I am quite sure that I am not the only affiliate who is getting a 'bad taste' from the conversation here.

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    Nerver promoted these guys but from what I read here, I agree with KK.

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    A FAQ page cannot considered as contractual
    I think you might want to talk to a good lawyer about that.

    Where I live, if a business writes something and calls it a fact it better be a fact or just about anybody can sue your ass off over it... So it is legally binding, at least in some jurisdictions.

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    I was right when I said this program is being very shady! You went and took off the words -- NO CARRY OVER of your front main page when I confronted you after reading your terms. IMO all the affiliates that were signed up on your program before this day should not be effected with your negative carry over!! This is a predatory and retroactive move!! I am removing your links today because what your doing to KK is plain messed up dude!

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    But Wait Bonus Streak! I think there is a nice $1 no deposit bonus waiting on all of our players!

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