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    Default Question for serious affiliates

    *posted this on the GPWA forums as well....

    Hey guys, thanks for taking the time and reading this thread.

    Reading through the forum I encounter many threads discussing problems affiliates have with their affiliate programs. My question to you is what are the 10 (or any other number ) most critical factors in your decision to work with an affiliate program.

    I'm asking this so affiliate managers (such as myself) can get a super important insight to your inner world and improve, and for new affiliates to read and think about prior to their decision to work with this or that program.

    thanks a lot!
    Sol

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    Hi Sol,

    Here are some things I like to know before getting involved with a new program:

    1. Does the affiliate program have 100% affiliate-friendly terms and conditions?

    2. Are players treated well by the casinos?

    3. What is the casino software?

    4. How long have they been in business?

    5. Do they pay automatically each month or do I have to request payment or mess with invoices?

    6. Do they pay to a payment method that I can use? (i.e. wire or a US-friendly web wallet)

    7. What is the minimum payment threshold?

    8. If they can pay by wire, who pays the fees?

    9. If they can pay by wire, is it discreet or does it appear to be from an online casino?

    10. Is the commission rate at least 35% for life?

    11. Is there negative carryover?

    12. Are the casinos bundled?

    13. Does the affiliate manager seem trustworthy and knowledgeable?

    But most importantly:

    14. Is the affiliate manager hot? LOL -- just kidding... or am I?

    Here are the answers I like to have for the above questions:

    1. Yes
    2. Yes
    3. Microgaming, WagerWorks, or RTG
    4. At least 1 year, preferably 2
    5. Automatic
    6. Yes
    7. $50
    8. The affiliate program
    9. Discreet
    10. Yes
    11. No
    12. No
    13. Yes
    14. Doesn't hurt, but if #13 isn't satisfied, it doesn't really matter
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    Great post! thanks for sharing.

    I found it very interesting to read that the software used is a critical issue, would you mind elaborating a bit?

    Regarding #14 you know the affiliate manager might be a hot male... ahem... does that still count? hahaha jokes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol@incomate View Post
    I found it very interesting to read that the software used is a critical issue, would you mind elaborating a bit?
    Sure -- if a casino uses Rival or Top Game software, or if I have never heard of the software, I probably won't be interested. Rival and Top Game casinos have extremely poor conversion and retention in my experience, so it's basically a waste of time and energy to promote them. I tried dozens of Rival casinos in the past -- these days, they all suck. Same with Top Game -- I can't make money with Top Game casinos.

    I earn the most with Microgaming, RTG, and WagerWorks casinos. So, I'm much more likely to be interested in promoting a casino that uses one of those software platforms, since they have a history of good performance.

    Regarding #14 you know the affiliate manager might be a hot male... ahem... does that still count? hahaha jokes
    LOL! No, sorry!



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    I agree with nearly all of Engineers requirements, but have one more which he may have forgotten:

    Affiliate manager to be CONTACTABLE at least for 5 working days of the week and to respond PROMPTLY.

    I am particularly pissed-off about this at the moment because in the last week or so I have sent about 10 e-mails to various AMs and only got about 3 replies...
    Engineer will NOT be surprised to hear most of them are Rival Casinos...

    KK

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    1. What specific market and or geographical area is the casino targeting, if any?

    2. Marketing Material. Does the program offer any Marketing Meterial, besides a few banners? Quality is better than quanity, imo.

    3. Are there any Network tie ins an aff can use, like BINGO, Lottery, Sports Betting and Poker?

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    I only work with aff programs with ugly managers.

    Currently my preferred look is:



    In addition to Engineers points, all of which I agree with (except for the pretty managers), I like to see marketing materials sent out by mail, complete with codes if possible.

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    Engineer pretty much covers all bases. Other point I would make is that I as a player would have to be happy to play at the casino also. As I only promote casinos that I have no problems playing at.

    This works for me, as it has meant I have never been royally shafted by a program, when they have gone south. Ala Grand Prive and the Rival Dominoes effect we are all seeing.

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      1. Does the affiliate program have 100% affiliate-friendly terms and conditions?
      2. Are players treated well by the casinos?
      3. What is the casino software? (Microgaming and RTG are mostly all I'll promote)
      4. How long have they been in business?
      5. Do they pay on time, automatically each month or do I have to request payment or mess with invoices?
      6. Do they pay to a payment method that I can use? (i.e. wire, check or a US-friendly web wallet)


    The points Engineer pointed out that I copied above, are my top 6 most important factors. In addition...

    • Affiliate managers need to be easy to reach, preferrably by either Skype or MSN as well as email/phone.
    • Affiliate manager needs to be a straight shooter, and not come off like a used car salesman, or try bs'ing to make their program seem good.
    • Affiliate manager needs to be open minded about what works and doesn't work for us, since different things work for different audiences.



    I'm also not apt to promote Top Game or a software brand I've never heard of. And I'm definitely not going to put much effort out for another white label Rival.

    I think that's it.

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    Thanks y'all!

    Great thoughts here, wanted to ask if you guys would consider working with a third party if all of the above criterias were met, if not, why?

    Daera - i know your answer, saw it on GPWA, care to elaborate? any horror stories?
    Dominique - that pic was taken on a bad day of mine... glad you still liked it

    Cheers.

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