Important Echeck Announcement

[Engineer]

Hi Tovey,

I am not familiar with you as an affiliate at Deckmedia please can you provide me with your affiliate details.

Why do you need that? So you can shave his account as punishment for speaking out against your actions?

As for retroactively changing the T&Cs to suit your financial inadequacies -- not cool.

[dominique]

All Rivals and others who do/have done this need to add that term ASAP.

As I stated before, it is NOT ok for any program to deduct processing losses WITHOUT having this in their terms.

And I mean ALL of them.

[rak]

All Rivals and others who do/have done this need to add that term ASAP.

I think that needs to be extended to every program! Even more so to any program which processors US traffic.

Any program which takes US traffic and processes it, and any advertiser who sends traffic to a program which processes US traffic has to realise that risks. The US DOJ is actively shutting down processors who process US transactions, as they deem it to be illegal, and in the last 6 months they have been really ramping it up.

No processor, no gaming group who processes US transactions has 100% bulletproof processing.

Anyone who can assure 100% bulletproof processing for US transaction is living in a fairyland.

[rak]

Not sure how relevant this is

"You will earn up to 45% of the Casino's earnings generated from players you refer and for their entire lifetime! The more traffic you send, the more you earn. You earn a recurring profit from your players month after month for as long as their account remains active."

Has the Casino Earned here if it has not received anything from the processor?

[rak]

Unable to edit my last post, wanted to added a reference.

deckmedia.com/affiliate-agreement.php


section 4. Fees

[bonustreak]

These are hard times we face and I can understand taking a hit for processing but it needs to be clearly written in the terms. It is a must do with the currant situation in iGaming!!

The problem I have is we do not have an audit or spreadsheet detailing players dep methods, this makes it very easy to manipulate against affiliates. The operator can claim 60% of the deposits we sent where via the bad processor when in all actuality the bad deposits were only say 30%.

We as affiliates are helpless and in the dark, we are left to trust that we are not being scammed. In these currant conditions of the industry I am finding it more and more difficult to trust any operator.

[Tovey]

These are hard times we face and I can understand taking a hit for processing but it needs to be clearly written in the terms. It is a must do with the currant situation in iGaming!!

The problem I have is we do not have an audit or spreadsheet detailing players dep methods, this makes it very easy to manipulate against affiliates. The operator can claim 60% of the deposits we sent where via the bad processor when in all actuality the bad deposits were only say 30%.

We as affiliates are helpless and in the dark, we are left to trust that we are not being scammed. In these currant conditions of the industry I am finding it more and more difficult to trust any operator.

Bonustreak makes a good point here. Statistics are non transparent enough that it really is vital that at the very least the terms of agreements be honoured.

Things going bad with a processor is always a risk and has been for many years. Heck, even in other industries it's a problem.

If programs were unwilling to shoulder the risk of things going bad with a processor it should have been clearly written in the terms from the very start deductions would apply if this is what happened.

Then no one would be upset with processor failure related deductions.

If there's a problem going forward with an operator shouldering this risk then they must amend the terms of their agreement so that newly sent players after the amendment are subject to commission deductions if things go bad with a processor.

To not insist that our commissions get paid if there isn't any legal grounds for deducting from them would be tantamount to saying we have no firm legal obligations due us which an operator is bound to honour.

[Tovey]

Not sure how relevant this is

"You will earn up to 45% of the Casino's earnings generated from players you refer and for their entire lifetime! The more traffic you send, the more you earn. You earn a recurring profit from your players month after month for as long as their account remains active."

Has the Casino Earned here if it has not received anything from the processor?

I'd argue, if the player has paid the processor, and the money is confirmed in the hands of the processor or ewallet and it was good enough for the casino to accept real money play on that at that point the casino can and must start to take responsibility for money that is due them.

eg. The player has done everything required of them and is not disputing the charge, so the live play is properly going through the software and the earnings are reporting online so the casino is making earnings.

[dominique]

it was good enough for the casino to accept real money play on that at that point the casino can and must start to take responsibility for money that is due them.

Good point.