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12-18-2006, 06:12 AM
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Gambling Wages Terms and Conditions - Under Review
Predatory Terms
1. In any case where the Referral Company chooses a compensation program where GW agrees to reward the Referral Company for the lifetime activity of the referred player, the Referral Company must maintain the status of "Active Affiliate" to be eligible to receive compensation for old Referred Players. "Active Affiliate" status being defined as a Referral Company that reefers at least one new depositor per calendar month. In the case where a Referral Company fails to maintain "Active Affiliate" status for a period of six months or more, GW reserves the right, at their sole discretion, to completely discontinue any type of service.
Predatory Terms
NON-Predatory Terms Below:
Affiliate Payment Date?: Payment shall be made prior to the 15th working day of the following month.
Negative Carryover?: Negative balance: GW reserves the right to review all Negative Balances on a case to case basis for determination of pay amounts. (This does NOT say that there is no carryover, but DOES imply)
Minimum Payment?: If the amount of compensation for one month is less than US $100, the amount shall be made available in the succeeding month (when the accumulated amount is greater than US $100).
Revenue Share Percentage?: Up to $15,000 - 30%, $15,001 to $50,000 - 40%, $50,001 and greater - 50%
CPA Details?: Up to 25 players per month - $60, 26-49 players per month - $80, 50+ players per month - $125
Tiered Revenue Sharing?: When you refer affiliates to GW, you will earn 5% of their Net Profit. (Net Profit = Casino Profit - Bonus given - Chargebacks).
Our overall analysis: This program's Terms and Agreements are fairly good EXCEPT for the predatory clause. This clause allows Gambling Wages to confiscate your lifetime earnings on any past players if you do not send them players for 6 months in a row. This is not as bad as some programs, but still leaves you open to losing the lifetime revenue you worked very hard to obtain.
Casinos Gambling Wages Represents: Club Player, Cirrus & Cirrus.co.uk, Cool Cat Casino, Palace of Chance, Wild Vegas Casino, Cool Cat Poker, Bingo Knights, and Big Bonus Bingo
---------------- Gambling Wages Will Be Contacted for a Response ---------------------
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01-15-2007, 10:16 PM
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Re: Gambling Wages Terms and Conditions - Under Review
We have made the first contact attempt in regards to the Predatory Clause in the Gambling Wages Terms and Conditions. The contact will first be in the form of a Private Message through Casino Affiliate Programs Forums and will serve as our first notice to the Gambling Wages Affiliate Manager and Associate Affiliate Manager.
We hope that contact will be made soon and the issues can be discussed.
Thank You.
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01-16-2007, 10:06 PM
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Re: Gambling Wages Terms and Conditions - Under Review
Gambling Wages is aware of the Terms and Conditions issue at 12:47pm and reviewed again the issue at 4:35pm. We await contact and hope for a quick resolution to the issue.
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01-18-2007, 09:52 AM
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Re: Gambling Wages Terms and Conditions - Under Review
We made a quick call to Gambling Wages this afternoon (11:15 AM CST). I talked with Nicolas for a short period of time. He assured me that Gambling Wages will soon make a statement regarding the Terms and Conditions in the near future.
We will wait until Tuesday, January 23 2007 to make a follow up call in the event that a statement has not been recorded.
Thanks All.
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01-23-2007, 07:08 PM
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Re: Gambling Wages Terms and Conditions - Under Review
A followup was made today at CasinoAffiliatePrograms.com. The followup was in the form of a Private Message at the CAP forums at 8:40pm CST. We sincerely hope that Nicolas or Natalie will soon return with good information about their Terms.
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02-06-2007, 06:30 PM
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Re: Gambling Wages Terms and Conditions - Under Review
No contact has been made by Gambling Wages at this time and there will be a minor amount of time left for them to contact us about their Terms and Conditions before we must deem their program Predatory.
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02-12-2007, 04:04 PM
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Re: Gambling Wages Terms and Conditions - Under Review
Hi All,
First I would like to apologize for not getting back here earlier. I have brought this part of our terms and conditions up to management and we have reviewed it. Unfortunately, we cannot modify this part because it is there to protect us from Revenue share abusers.
Some people organize to play on each others Revenue share accounts. Since the casino advantage is less than 30%, they will win on the long run when playing at various casinos and using their affiliate programs, especially since when they win we don’t carry over the negative and we do carry over the positive.
We have seen this happen several times; we need a way to defend ourselves from it and this is part of how we do that. Almost all our affiliates can easily send one depositing player every 6 month so we feel it is not a disadvantage to our partners.
We do thank you however for contacting us. If you feel that there is something we have missed, please let us know. We strive to make our entire service as friendly as possible, without over exposing ourselves to fraud and deceitful behavior.
Best Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Gambling Wages Assistant Affiliate Manager
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02-12-2007, 07:12 PM
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Re: Gambling Wages Terms and Conditions - Under Review
Thank you for your response Nicholas, we appreciate your candor and attention to the issue.
While we certainly feel that Gambling Wages should protect themselves from rogue affiliates, the rest of your affiliates should not suffer because of those rogue affiliates that have taken advantage 'several times'.
Your Terms and Conditions should only state that when affiliates attempt to defraud Gambling Wages by taking advantage of Revenue Sharing and collusion, Gambling Wages reserves the right to terminate all connected affiliate accounts after proper review.
To penalize all affiliates due to a few bad eggs is not the way to entice good affiliates to work with you.
As we all know - this term is very predatory and here are the problems with it:
1. It is difficult enough to get the Search Engines to rank sites. Simple algorithm changes can knock you out of the SERPS for quite some time.
2. The player(s) sent previously should be lifetime players and your program WOULD NOT have gotten those players without that affiliate.
3. Black hatters are copying our sites all the time and with Google you can get knocked into supplementary results which you may NEVER get out of. Resulting in 6 months or more trying to fix the problem.
4. Health issues can take you out of the industry and leave you penniless due to this completely predatory term.
There are a ton of reasons that this is predatory.... suffice it to say that YOUR AFFILIATE brought you that player and should continue to be paid REGARDLESS of how well they promote your programs.
Again - Please reconsider this term. AffiliateGuardDog.com will wait 1 more week for a response to this last plea to do the right thing.
Please reconsider your thoughts on this term.
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02-21-2007, 08:39 AM
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Re: Gambling Wages Terms and Conditions - Under Review
Gambling Wages will not reconsider their terms.
As such, AffiliateGuardDog.com warns affiliates to NOT promote this organization. They can steal your hard earned marketing dollars with ease through use of their Terms and Conditions.
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12-13-2007, 12:13 AM
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I certainly regret not taking the Guard Dog’s advice. My first ever earnings wiped out by this response.
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The reason you have not received the $301 is that this money comes directly from your players loosing back what they had lost during October. We normally do not make negative carry overs, but we reserve the right to do so just for these cases where earnings are directly from players loosing back last month's winnings.
If you look carefully, you will see your players have not deposited anything, so we couldn't have made any money and therefore there is no revenue to share.
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This is for one property only. Should have listened, keep up the good work!
greek39
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Terms and Conditions Certified by AGD as 'Affiliate-Friendly'.
Terms and Conditions are considered 'Predatory' (Not good for Affiliates).
Terms and Conditions are Certified but have a warning on one of the terms.
Terms and Conditions are have not yet been reviewed.
Warning - New Affiliate Program. No proven track record.
Program is closed / out of business.
Program Bundles Earnings on their casnio properties.
Program Carrys Over Negative Earnings.
Program pays their affiliates consistently on time.
Program pays late or irregularly
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