Gambling Wages Terms and Conditions - Under Review

[Guard Dog]

Thanks Greek! This is basically what we have been saying about GW all along. there are quite a few affiliates upset with them at the moment for non-payment of affiliate payments as well as players upset at casinos taking months to payout.

I wouldn't promote these casinos if I were broke and desperate.

[GamblingWages]

Hi Everyone

In our constant search for improved service, we have decided to take down Point 5.5 from our Terms and Conditions. This is just one of our steps to help improve our long term commitment to our partners who I personally and the whole company have a deep appreciation and respect for.

If there is anything else we can do to help improve your affiliate experience, please feel free to contact me (contact details in zig). It is my intention to keep all our affiliates happy and in a mutually benefiting long term relationship.

@ greek39
Unfortunately your players did not deposit and loose. They played free chips one month and lost the amount back the next. It is exactly for reasons like this that we keep our negative carry over policy at our own discretion. 99% of our affiliates don’t even know we reserve the right to do this because of the low frequency that we apply this rule (although it is clearly stated on our website as well as forums, we don’t hide this)
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Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
GamblingWages Affiliate Manager

Toll Free 1-800-549-7407
MSN Messenger nicolas_1875@hotmail.com

[Guard Dog]

Thank you Nicholas! It looks like GW is really trying to turn things around. I certainly hope this is the start to an excellent new year for Gambling Wages.

Good Luck and we will be re-reviewing the Gambling Wages terms and conditions and hopefully finally getting rid of that 'predatory' designation.

[Vladi]

Originally Posted by GamblingWages

Unfortunately your players did not deposit and loose. They played free chips one month and lost the amount back the next. It is exactly for reasons like this that we keep our negative carry over policy at our own discretion. 99% of our affiliates don’t even know we reserve the right to do this because of the low frequency that we apply this rule (although it is clearly stated on our website as well as forums, we don’t hide this)

I can't believe no-one else has picked up on this.

1. You refer a player
2. Player wins on free chip code
3. Winnings subtracted from your rev share earnings from other players this month (YOU LOST MONEY HERE)
4. Next month, free chip player loses winnings
5. Casino does not credit you for player's losses next month.

So the casino lost nothing, BUT YOU LOST money, because it reduced your rev share earnings from other players in the first month.

Add to this the ridiculous way this program counts all the free coupon amounts given to non depositors as player winnings (even if they remain unused, or ineligible for the player to withdraw) and it is nearly impossible for you to make any decent money with rev share on this program.

eg: Player signs up and gets a coupon of $100 without depositing (just picking a round number). This puts you at -$100 immediately. On a 30% rev share someone else will have to deposit and lose $333 for you to break even. If they win on that coupon it's even worse for you. And if they forget about it and don't play anything, or don't complete wagering reqs and give up, or their balance stays around $100, then that $100 (or whatever is left of it) stays around until the end of the month stinking up your stats and there is nothing you can do about it.

And of course if they then lose that $100 next month, you can bet your last dollar that gambling wages won't count that as revenue for you.

Tip for young players: never go rev share with these guys. Believe me a couple of us have done the sums and would have been far far far far far far far far far far far better off had we not gone rev share with gambling wages.

[Guard Dog]

That is correct. There have been quite a few discussions on boards such as CAP & GPWA about the way manager credits are applied to reduce affiliate earnings.

This is the reason we do not promote GW casinos even though their terms are now friendly.

[GamblingWages]

Hi Vladi and Guard Dog,

The case of Greek39 can’t possibly fit the description mentioned above. His players did not deposit anything. So bonuses couldn’t have wiped his commissions. There were no deposits from his players so there is no revenue for the casinos or the affiliates. All that happened was a free chip was taken by a player one month, the player won on it, and lost it back the next. No deposits were made.

Now I am aware that in the past some bonuses were applied incorrectly and affected legitimate affiliate commissions. This doesn’t happen by default, it only happens when casino staff applies bonuses in an incorrect manner. If bonuses are applied correctly, no amount of bonuses will affect your stats. It is not the amount, but the way it is applied.

A situation where affiliate stats are harmed is not in the interest of GamblingWages. We understand that for us to grow, our affiliates must grow, and it would be counter productive to try to dampen affiliate growth.

So if you feel your account had any irregularities, please let me know and I will make sure you get everything that is rightfully yours.

We truly want to keep an honest program; that is the only way to grow honest affiliates. Affiliate marketing is a win-win situation, so it is beyond me why some people would want it to work otherwise.

In any case, anyone with any issues is more then welcome to contact us, we here for you!
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Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
GamblingWages Affiliate Manager
Toll Free 1-800-549-7407
Nicolas@GamblingWages.com
MSN Messenger nicolas_1875@hotmail.com

[Vladi]

Just a heads up that Nicholas no longer works there. My guess is he got embarrassed saying one thing publicly and then doing the complete opposite in practice (either by choice or instructed by superiors). Since then they have been through another 2 affiliate managers this year which says all you really need to know about this group. Don't touch them with a 10 foot barge pole.