CR Issue

[AussieDave]

Affiliate ID: TYPEIN_

And you think you had problems with Mini Vegas and Vegas Affiliates WCD The saying, 'Better the devil you know', certainly rings true here with CR takihg over this mob now.

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An affiliate program is supposed to pay it's affiliate their rightful earnings. It certainly should not be allowed to scam them with unethical cross marketing...If that doesn't steal enough money from affiliates to buy more casinos...

Rob them blind by using the last referrer to always tag the Casino Group when they contact players referred by affiliates and encourage them to visit casinorewards.com - Casino Rewards Premier Online Casino Loyalty Program. Which looking at the title should only have their loyality program in operation, NOT trying to HOODWINK affiliate tagged players to sign-up at their other casinos.

Bare in mind the last referrer as Renee keeps telling everyone IS a GOOD thing...Is in fact only a GOOD thing for Casino Rewards because it allows them to contact players directly, knowing they'll likely sign-up at another casino from casinorewards.com, thus tagging these players to CR and stealing them from affiliates.

Things will always be like this at CasinoRewards when an affiliates player visits CR regardless of how they got there or even when they are contact directly by Casino Rewards. Once that player clicks through to one of those casinos and signs up that player is tagged to CR...BYE...BYE affiliate tagged player.

Being ignorant of dodgy, unethical crap like this going on is one thing, Renee.

However not doing anything about these crooked acts whilst knowingly continuing to work for JT & ITS Management and defending this theft is the pits Renee. In Australia where you and this company operate from, there's a word for this and it's called FRAUD & I dare say conspiracy to commit fraud also.

You've knowingly aided and abetted in defrauding affiliates out of million of dollars of their rightful commissions.

i.wilful blindness or the deliberate shutting of a person’s eyes to the obvious;
ii.knowledge of particular circumstances which would be obvious to a reasonable and honest person.

I've ommitted the casino owners name for the time being. Instead used his initials. However if your people think you can steal from me and get away with it you're sadly mistaken. Each day that's passed since the BS scam got brought out in ther open (march 2011), I'm about ready to give CR/RA the BIRD.

Your refusal to discuss these issues with me and those I have with CasinoRewards/Rewards Affiliates, leaves me with little choice but to start going public like this!

You have my contact details if you or JT should reconsider your stonewalling silience and decide it's best both parties (that's CR/RA and I) have a pow-wow you know how to contact me.

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Andy & or Mods
I'd rather not use your forum as platform to air my issues with an affiliate pogram. But as Renee, Yaniv, Casino Rewards, Rewards Affiliates, ITS Management and the owner JT refuse to discuss my issues, I'm left with no choice but to post in hope they'll come to their senses and open dialogue with me.

[Renee]

Affiliate ID: TYPEIN_VLV: Affiliate ID: TYPEIN_GHC:xhttpx://online.casinocity.com/casinos/grand-hotel-casin...

The only reason this will happen is if the affiliate code has not been entered correctly or if there is no affiliate code (i.e. the link points directly to the casino).

After checking with fiddler i see that the code is linking directly to villentocasino.com which is why you're seeing it as a type in with the URL.

If you want to know if links are working, test your own links as you're able to see your code behind it to know that you have it entered correctly

[AussieDave]

The only reason this will happen is if the affiliate code has not been entered correctly or if there is no affiliate code (i.e. the link points directly to the casino).

WCD
You may like to ask Renee another question...Because frankly what CR does to steal affiliates players, makes the Vegas Affiliates cross marketing to Floridita Casino and such a teddy bear picinic.

WCD or any other affiliate try asking the following:
What happens when a player clicks through a banner/link on my site, signs up at...lets say Captain Cooks...Not long after this receives an email welcoming them to Casino Rewards Loyalty Program, which also includes a direct link to casinorewards.com

The player visits Casino Rewards and is confronted with heavy marketing of all their casinos and gaming properties. This player, your tagged player, spots a better offer at Golden Tiger and visits the casino.

Take a look at the footer and see who's tag is there. It's not yours BUT a CR tag.

Keep in mind this player was referred by you. They signed up via one of tyour links/banners to Captain Cooks within a couple of hours previously. However right now, that tag player has now joined Golden Tiger and the referring tag is acredited to Casino Rewards and not you or the affiliate.

This type of screnario will happen to ALL you players who you've signed up at one of their casinos.

These players, your tagged players will always be tagged to Casino Rewards when they click through and join one of their gaming properties from the CR or any of the CR websites. Why?

The last referring tag applies.

Meaning Casino Rewards contact your players and is hoping they'll click on another Casino at their Loyal Program site (CR) and sign-up up because this CUTS YOU out of the picture.

[Renee]

http://www.casinorewards.com/referral.asp?aff_id=affRENEE

After going there and clicking on one of the links at the bottom i get the affRENEE in the link. I have attached a screenshot.

Then if i scroll down to the bottom on the casino site the same aff id is there: affRENEE

This will work for any aff id.

Cheers

[AussieDave]

Nice try Renee but your not a player who received a mailer from Casino Rewards with a direct link (no tagging) to the CR web site and subsequently that player clicked through to Golden Tiger and the laster referrer is acredited to Casino Rewards.

Let me go back through my screen caps and I'll post some proof of my own.

[Renee]

Can a mod please move this stuff into it's own thread so it's not derailing my original thread? As the thread starter i can request this, no?

Also, this has been spoken about and explained at the GPWA. As a consequence I will not be posting anymore about it here since affiliates can post about it over there and I feel this is a waste of my time having to post in 2 separate locations.

All the information is available at the GPWA including the resolution which was agreed on by the private GPWA members.

Cheers

[AussieDave]

All the information is available at the GPWA including the resolution which was agreed on by the private GPWA members.

I told the GPWA to stick my mebership, again!

When the APCW accepts podcast sponsorship from an affiliate program who has been called to count over cross marketing at the GPWA (Bare in mind Corfman) owns both enties....And the APCW claims:

"Fighting for trust, honesty and integrity in the online gaming industry!"

Then it's pretty damn obvious I'm hanging with a bunch of 'Wise Guys' with with dollars signs in their greedy eyes, who are running the affiliate show.

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And as the GPWA does not pay my bills nor own my business, BUT I am one of your affiliates Renee then it would seem extremely bizarre as to why you and CR refuse to enter into discussion with me.


Oh and BTW...The following was conducted with a test I did with a friend who signed up via one of my banners and joined Capatian Cooks. Not long after received an email to casinorewards.com (a direct link) and clicked through from the CR site to AztecRichesCasino.

As you can plainly see the aff tag is NOT mine BUT accredited to CR. (Even though my tagged player was contacted directly by CR with a direct (untagged) link to casinorewards.com

They ROBBED me blind like this and have stolen the rightful earnings of other affiliates BY doing this to you also!!!

In this scenario with my friend (I signed up at Captain Cooks) casinorewards.com wil ALWAYS be the last referrer when signing up to any casino they are not at member of through the CR website(s).

[AussieDave]

We did a few tests that night...Again the same scenerio happened at CasinoShare from following the direct email link sent to my friend (my TAGGED player) who clicked through to CasinoShare from casinorewards.com

[AussieDave]

Renee,

What really upsets me about all this it not the money that obviously has been stolen from me by hijacking my tagged players...No it is NOT. I considered you a friend.

We'd chatted for years for a while there it was on a weekly basis. I really though you were one of the BEST affiliate managers in the industry.

Then I find this dodgy cross marketing. You've obviously known about it all the while I'm thinking you've got my best interests as a RA/CR affiliate in hand. I probably wont see a cent of what CR has stolen from me BUT remember Renee Karma is a Bitch!

[Renee]

Note for the mods - I am now placing this affiliate on ignore and will no longer be responding to any posts made by him.

He was harassing me via email until my boss requested that he stop. Now he has moved to the only forum he has not been banned at for doing the same towards other affiliate managers and affiliates.

I am making a request by my own means for the harassment now to stop. I expect this request to be upheld.

Cheers